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Whoever smokes and wouldn't mind quitting if it wasn't hard I recommend to consider the following (based on my experience and understanding, trusting me is your

Whoever smokes and wouldn't mind quitting if it wasn't hard I recommend to consider the following (based on my experience and understanding, trusting me is your own risk): 1. switch 100% to vaping (try a nicotine-heavy liquid if you don't enjoy what you try initially), get rid of cigarettes. Make sure to find a flavor you enjoy and try different ones every now and then. 2. you'll find your health improving soon: vaping is not 100% safe but usually a much healthier choice than cigs because no tar, heavy metals, formaldehyde etc. I bet your doctor will tell you "good job!" once they notice the changes in your health. 3. quitting is going to be much easier than you imagine at this moment. I just stopped one day and had no problem, I even enjoyed the mildly weird feeling during 2 days (but gained a couple of extra pounds). Perhaps this depends on the kind of the vaping liquid you use, I only tried one kind. Don't try butter/caramel-flavoured liquids or THC oils - these are dangerous.

ohhnoodont 7y ago
My doctor said exactly this when I switched to entirely to vaping. It's a shame how much momentum there is behind banning the sale of vape products when the positive health effects are pretty clear.
- MaximumYComb 7y ago
  The downside of vaping is that the flavoured vape products are being marketed at teenagers. IIRC smoking was at a very low rate for youth after decades of improvements and then vaping has seen nicotine use rise in this demographic.
  - qwerty456127 7y ago
    Marketing addictive substances should just be outlawed. Marketing substances that are both addictive and scientifically proven to harm children/adolescents development specifically targeting teens should be outlawed absolutely - everybody participating in that should be punished, e.g. the way it works with child porn. At the same time people who choose to buy and use the substances without being advertised to should be allowed to.
  - nogabebop23 7y ago
    This. Vaping companies have jumped on the "help older smokers quit" angle while marketing candy flavors and hi-tech e-cigs that are clearly not aimed at established cigarette smokers. Vaping may also be relatively safer but the ridiculously high levels of nicotine are solely intended to hook very young kids for life. To help smokers quit, vaping only needs to temper their physical and psychological cravings and be in the same realm of affordability, availability and ease-of-use. Selling cotton candy vape juice delivered with a apple-esque vaporizer and slick ads & commercials is not to "help smokers quit"
    - grafporno 7y ago
      > Vaping companies Some of the bigger vaping companies are owned by tobacco companies. e.g. Juul.
    - qwerty456127 7y ago
      "Cotton candy vape juice delivered with a apple-esque vaporizer" is a great thing to replace cigs. Although it shouldn't be marketed as "help smokers quit" it should be as "help smokers get healthier and stink less" (getting healthier is not proven by an FDA-accredited institution but I would bet that's true). And once you switched - I believe it can actually be easier to quit than cigs are (was very easy for me, perhaps that's just me, needs testing).
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  - KMag 7y ago
    Granted, being a kid in the 1980s strongly biases me, but this looks a lot like several moral panics from when I was a kid. > IRC smoking was at a very low rate for youth after decades of improvements and then vaping has seen nicotine use rise in this demographic. Okay, but smoking and nicotine use are very different metrics. Looking at number of smokers + number of vapers is a bit like looking at the number of drunk drivers + number of people biking without helmets. There's a heavy relative harm weighting factor missing if you just sum the numbers, especially if kids aren't vaping tocopheryl acetate or diacetyl. Some parties strongly suspect that vaping is a gateway to smoking, but the studies I've seen are contradictory (granted, I haven't looked in depth). After all I was told about marijuana leading to crack cocaine use as a kid, I'm strongly skeptical of any gateway hypothesis that's not supported by rigorous studies. Rebellious kids tend to do all kinds of things, generally starting with less risky things, and if your study doesn't control for this, your study is going to show a causative link between stepping on sidewalk cracks at age 5 and using crack cocaine at age 17. On the one hand, we do want to protect people from stupid decisions in their wild youth. On the other hand, the gateway hypothesis is the best argument I've seen against vaping, and it doesn't look like a good argument from where I'm sitting. I think there's also a lot of hysteria that fruity vapes are targeted at kids. There must be tons of people over 21 who secretly like wine coolers and secretly like fruity vapes. I've never been a cigarette smoker, and have only smoked a handful of cigars, but I've tried vaping a few times and found it pleasant. If, in another decade, vaping turns out to be no more harmful than my occasional single malt habit or my grilled red meat habit, I might take up vaping regularly at the age of 50. I get plenty of exercise, watch my weight, practice intermittent fasting, and spend a bit of my health budget on a small number of vices.
mfkp 7y ago
THC-oils are dangerous? Source?
- Cerium 7y ago
  There was an outbreak of lung injury over the last year that became associated with black market THC products that were cut with chemicals that are not safe to inhale, such as vitamin E oil. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/s...
  - mfkp 7y ago
    Yeah, I thought that was limited to black market products only though (filled with cutting agents and heavy metals). They basically deemed it safe if you're buying lab-tested products from licensed dispensaries. Seems like overkill to say "THC is dangerous" since THC is not the part that's causing the side effects?
    - qwerty456127 7y ago
      > Seems like overkill to say "THC is dangerous" Sure, THC itself (at least in reasonable doses, taken by a mentally stable person) is not dangerous, vaping [black market] THC oils is. We don't vape anything but nicotine here in Europe, we just smoke weed occasionally when we want THC so we have no vaping-related deaths here.
      - ryanlol 7y ago
        THC vape cartridges are very common in Spain and UK.
- aaron695 7y ago
  Nicotine probably doesn't affect the brain in a permanent negative way. THC probably does affect the brain in a permanent negative way. Although they said "THC-oils" which implies they are talking about the black-market issue, I think unlike vaping nicotine which is probably mostly safe. Vaping THC-oils should only be seen as safer than smoking THC.
imafish 7y ago
Did exactly the same. Vaped for a couple of months - and I actually enjoyed vaping - but still had no trouble quitting altogether. Vaping is a great product for quitting nicotine. It should definitely be more accepted as such, and not just be seen as an alternative to smoking.
fybe 7y ago
On the topic of vaping to quit I would add something I learned my self. I tried to quit smoking with vaping 3 times before it worked and it was due to a multitude of reasons. 1. Cheap vaping kits. They leak, are hard to change the coils and to fill up with liquid. On my current attempt, I got a proper set (40eu) and made sure it fills up by unscrewing the top and not the whole top bit. It stops leaking, its easier to fill up and its less of a chore. I think that was the main reason as with cheap kits, they would leak, be hard to maintenance and it was such a hassle that picking up a cigarette and lighting it up was much easier. 2. Flavours, as you mentioned finding a flavour you like and sticking to it is key. I tried many and found just the right flavour level that suits me and it was a huge break through for me. I started on 12mg nicotine level, lowered to 6mg after 4 weeks, and 6 months later I'm on 3mg and feel so much better. My next step is to go no nicotine vape then kick it entirely.
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  Don't start vaping to quit. Start vaping to ditch cigarettes for something better (healthier, better taste, more convenience, perhaps even more nicotine). Buy the best device you can afford. Forget about quitting - enjoy your new experience: you can choose a taste, you can choose strength, you can inhale any volume you want wherever and whenever you want, you don't stink, your health is actively improving from the level set by smoking cigarettes. And only as enough time passes (not less than some months) - consider quitting if you want. That would work better. IMHO.

ohhnoodont 7y ago

My doctor said exactly this when I switched to entirely to vaping. It's a shame how much momentum there is behind banning the sale of vape products when the positive health effects are pretty clear.

MaximumYComb 7y ago
The downside of vaping is that the flavoured vape products are being marketed at teenagers. IIRC smoking was at a very low rate for youth after decades of improvements and then vaping has seen nicotine use rise in this demographic.
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  Marketing addictive substances should just be outlawed. Marketing substances that are both addictive and scientifically proven to harm children/adolescents development specifically targeting teens should be outlawed absolutely - everybody participating in that should be punished, e.g. the way it works with child porn. At the same time people who choose to buy and use the substances without being advertised to should be allowed to.
- nogabebop23 7y ago
  This. Vaping companies have jumped on the "help older smokers quit" angle while marketing candy flavors and hi-tech e-cigs that are clearly not aimed at established cigarette smokers. Vaping may also be relatively safer but the ridiculously high levels of nicotine are solely intended to hook very young kids for life. To help smokers quit, vaping only needs to temper their physical and psychological cravings and be in the same realm of affordability, availability and ease-of-use. Selling cotton candy vape juice delivered with a apple-esque vaporizer and slick ads & commercials is not to "help smokers quit"
  - grafporno 7y ago
    > Vaping companies Some of the bigger vaping companies are owned by tobacco companies. e.g. Juul.
  - qwerty456127 7y ago
    "Cotton candy vape juice delivered with a apple-esque vaporizer" is a great thing to replace cigs. Although it shouldn't be marketed as "help smokers quit" it should be as "help smokers get healthier and stink less" (getting healthier is not proven by an FDA-accredited institution but I would bet that's true). And once you switched - I believe it can actually be easier to quit than cigs are (was very easy for me, perhaps that's just me, needs testing).
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- KMag 7y ago
  Granted, being a kid in the 1980s strongly biases me, but this looks a lot like several moral panics from when I was a kid. > IRC smoking was at a very low rate for youth after decades of improvements and then vaping has seen nicotine use rise in this demographic. Okay, but smoking and nicotine use are very different metrics. Looking at number of smokers + number of vapers is a bit like looking at the number of drunk drivers + number of people biking without helmets. There's a heavy relative harm weighting factor missing if you just sum the numbers, especially if kids aren't vaping tocopheryl acetate or diacetyl. Some parties strongly suspect that vaping is a gateway to smoking, but the studies I've seen are contradictory (granted, I haven't looked in depth). After all I was told about marijuana leading to crack cocaine use as a kid, I'm strongly skeptical of any gateway hypothesis that's not supported by rigorous studies. Rebellious kids tend to do all kinds of things, generally starting with less risky things, and if your study doesn't control for this, your study is going to show a causative link between stepping on sidewalk cracks at age 5 and using crack cocaine at age 17. On the one hand, we do want to protect people from stupid decisions in their wild youth. On the other hand, the gateway hypothesis is the best argument I've seen against vaping, and it doesn't look like a good argument from where I'm sitting. I think there's also a lot of hysteria that fruity vapes are targeted at kids. There must be tons of people over 21 who secretly like wine coolers and secretly like fruity vapes. I've never been a cigarette smoker, and have only smoked a handful of cigars, but I've tried vaping a few times and found it pleasant. If, in another decade, vaping turns out to be no more harmful than my occasional single malt habit or my grilled red meat habit, I might take up vaping regularly at the age of 50. I get plenty of exercise, watch my weight, practice intermittent fasting, and spend a bit of my health budget on a small number of vices.

mfkp 7y ago

THC-oils are dangerous? Source?

Cerium 7y ago
There was an outbreak of lung injury over the last year that became associated with black market THC products that were cut with chemicals that are not safe to inhale, such as vitamin E oil. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/s...
- mfkp 7y ago
  Yeah, I thought that was limited to black market products only though (filled with cutting agents and heavy metals). They basically deemed it safe if you're buying lab-tested products from licensed dispensaries. Seems like overkill to say "THC is dangerous" since THC is not the part that's causing the side effects?
  - qwerty456127 7y ago
    > Seems like overkill to say "THC is dangerous" Sure, THC itself (at least in reasonable doses, taken by a mentally stable person) is not dangerous, vaping [black market] THC oils is. We don't vape anything but nicotine here in Europe, we just smoke weed occasionally when we want THC so we have no vaping-related deaths here.
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      THC vape cartridges are very common in Spain and UK.
aaron695 7y ago
Nicotine probably doesn't affect the brain in a permanent negative way. THC probably does affect the brain in a permanent negative way. Although they said "THC-oils" which implies they are talking about the black-market issue, I think unlike vaping nicotine which is probably mostly safe. Vaping THC-oils should only be seen as safer than smoking THC.

imafish 7y ago

Did exactly the same. Vaped for a couple of months - and I actually enjoyed vaping - but still had no trouble quitting altogether. Vaping is a great product for quitting nicotine. It should definitely be more accepted as such, and not just be seen as an alternative to smoking.

fybe 7y ago

On the topic of vaping to quit I would add something I learned my self. I tried to quit smoking with vaping 3 times before it worked and it was due to a multitude of reasons. 1. Cheap vaping kits. They leak, are hard to change the coils and to fill up with liquid. On my current attempt, I got a proper set (40eu) and made sure it fills up by unscrewing the top and not the whole top bit. It stops leaking, its easier to fill up and its less of a chore. I think that was the main reason as with cheap kits, they would leak, be hard to maintenance and it was such a hassle that picking up a cigarette and lighting it up was much easier. 2. Flavours, as you mentioned finding a flavour you like and sticking to it is key. I tried many and found just the right flavour level that suits me and it was a huge break through for me. I started on 12mg nicotine level, lowered to 6mg after 4 weeks, and 6 months later I'm on 3mg and feel so much better. My next step is to go no nicotine vape then kick it entirely.

qwerty456127 7y ago
Don't start vaping to quit. Start vaping to ditch cigarettes for something better (healthier, better taste, more convenience, perhaps even more nicotine). Buy the best device you can afford. Forget about quitting - enjoy your new experience: you can choose a taste, you can choose strength, you can inhale any volume you want wherever and whenever you want, you don't stink, your health is actively improving from the level set by smoking cigarettes. And only as enough time passes (not less than some months) - consider quitting if you want. That would work better. IMHO.