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AFAIK - Hangouts is going to be nuked at some point. Meet is for gSuite, Duo is the product for consumers. TBF both Meet and Duo have been awesome, Hangouts ha

AFAIK - Hangouts is going to be nuked at some point. Meet is for gSuite, Duo is the product for consumers. TBF both Meet and Duo have been awesome, Hangouts has withered on the vine. It could have been a unified solution but... Google.

kyrra 6y ago
Googler, opinions are my own. My understanding is Google has said externally that they plan on killing the classic Hangouts product. So that means Google chat and Google Meet would be available in consumer space for people with @gmail.com addresses. but right now the focus of those two products is on gSuite. I'd also definitely agree with what other people are saying, duo is the FaceTime competitor. It has direct integration into the Google dialer in the Google SMS app. It's also rather brain dead simple to use.
- criddell 6y ago
  Do you know if there's any kind of whitepaper describing Duo's security model? When I search for information I'm finding a lot of stuff about Cisco's Duo product, but not a lot about Google's. Specifically, where do the private keys reside?
  - bilal4hmed 6y ago
    I havent seen a whitepaper as such, but their help goes over this , they say the private keys are saved on device only https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en
- philsnow 6y ago
  > classic hangouts This is weird to hear, to me hangouts was always the new thing that ousted gchat. > google chat [...] would be available in consumer space I can't imagine they're bringing back the old old thing, are they?
  - ilikehurdles 6y ago
    Apparently GChat was only a colloquial term for the product formerly known as Google Talk? I thought it was a separate thing from the Talk VoIP service.
    - joecool1029 6y ago
      Nah, it was official: http://web.archive.org/web/20171019144317/https://support.google.com/chat/?visit_id=0-636440209968187729-1799606958&rd=1 http://web.archive.org/web/20171019144317/https://support.go... The Wikipedia disambiguation page really clears up the mess that is Google's branding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chat
      - ilikehurdles 6y ago
        Good to know I'm not going crazy. Maybe being gaslighted by wikipedia editors but that's not out of the ordinary. The Wikipedia entry for Google Talk[1], says: > Google Talk, also known as Google Chat,[1] was an instant messaging service that provided both text and voice communication.[2] The instant messaging service was variously referred to colloquially as Gchat, Gtalk, or Gmessage among its users.[3] What a mess. [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk
        casefields 6y ago
        I wish they would put a "Messaging Czar" in charge with completely authority, to fix that mess. They know their target is iMessage and WhatsApp, yet don't seem to coalesce around any product in particular. Are they too scared of regulators to make an iMessage-like service in Android? RCS will barely nibble at the ground they need to cover in order to compete for real.
      - fossuser 6y ago
        Even the disambiguation page is missing Google Buzz which existed for a brief time somewhere in there.
buttersbrian 6y ago
On mobile -- Messages + Duo converging a bit and you'll be able to receive video calls whether you have duo or not. Desktop -- Meet/Chat converging and getting a unified UI for business/desktop users. I think it is taking time, but it's finally happening and Hangouts will officially be shut down when the merging happens.
- aaaxyz 6y ago
  I've been using chat and meet for a few months. Chat has seen no new features added in months, the UI is atrocious (switching from a dark terminal window to a Google chat tab will burn your retina), it offers no customization besides the colour of your emojis and even the official Google bots can't understand basic requests like "Schedule a meeting with everyone in this room". Slack is way way (way) ahead of it. The integration with Meet consists of a single "invite to video call" button that creates a new video call and inserts the link into your message. There's no option to stop people from inviting you to new calls/set your Google chat status as busy when accepting a call. Meet itself is also frustrating to use for anything more than a 2-3 person meeting; it doesn't display more than 4 video feeds at once on your screen. It's also unable to save settings between video calls (if you don't want to have incoming and outgoing 720p streams all the time you have to change the settings at the start of every call). Zoom and even Jitsi are both miles ahead of it. There is no reason to use either product besides the fact that they come with enterprise Gmail accounts. They both still feel like prototypes or minimum viable products (especially Chat).
  - tssva 6y ago
    Google Meet now shows up to 16 video feeds at once on your screen.
- Mindwipe 6y ago
  This sounds pretty dreadful bluntly as a product offering. A mobile only consumer proposition is useless. Sounds like Google's internal strategy here is still a disaster.
  - 6y ago

kyrra 6y ago

Googler, opinions are my own. My understanding is Google has said externally that they plan on killing the classic Hangouts product. So that means Google chat and Google Meet would be available in consumer space for people with @gmail.com addresses. but right now the focus of those two products is on gSuite. I'd also definitely agree with what other people are saying, duo is the FaceTime competitor. It has direct integration into the Google dialer in the Google SMS app. It's also rather brain dead simple to use.

criddell 6y ago
Do you know if there's any kind of whitepaper describing Duo's security model? When I search for information I'm finding a lot of stuff about Cisco's Duo product, but not a lot about Google's. Specifically, where do the private keys reside?
- bilal4hmed 6y ago
  I havent seen a whitepaper as such, but their help goes over this , they say the private keys are saved on device only https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en https://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en
philsnow 6y ago
> classic hangouts This is weird to hear, to me hangouts was always the new thing that ousted gchat. > google chat [...] would be available in consumer space I can't imagine they're bringing back the old old thing, are they?
- ilikehurdles 6y ago
  Apparently GChat was only a colloquial term for the product formerly known as Google Talk? I thought it was a separate thing from the Talk VoIP service.
  - joecool1029 6y ago
    Nah, it was official: http://web.archive.org/web/20171019144317/https://support.google.com/chat/?visit_id=0-636440209968187729-1799606958&rd=1 http://web.archive.org/web/20171019144317/https://support.go... The Wikipedia disambiguation page really clears up the mess that is Google's branding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chat
    - ilikehurdles 6y ago
      Good to know I'm not going crazy. Maybe being gaslighted by wikipedia editors but that's not out of the ordinary. The Wikipedia entry for Google Talk[1], says: > Google Talk, also known as Google Chat,[1] was an instant messaging service that provided both text and voice communication.[2] The instant messaging service was variously referred to colloquially as Gchat, Gtalk, or Gmessage among its users.[3] What a mess. [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk
      - casefields 6y ago
        I wish they would put a "Messaging Czar" in charge with completely authority, to fix that mess. They know their target is iMessage and WhatsApp, yet don't seem to coalesce around any product in particular. Are they too scared of regulators to make an iMessage-like service in Android? RCS will barely nibble at the ground they need to cover in order to compete for real.
    - fossuser 6y ago
      Even the disambiguation page is missing Google Buzz which existed for a brief time somewhere in there.

buttersbrian 6y ago

On mobile -- Messages + Duo converging a bit and you'll be able to receive video calls whether you have duo or not. Desktop -- Meet/Chat converging and getting a unified UI for business/desktop users. I think it is taking time, but it's finally happening and Hangouts will officially be shut down when the merging happens.

aaaxyz 6y ago
I've been using chat and meet for a few months. Chat has seen no new features added in months, the UI is atrocious (switching from a dark terminal window to a Google chat tab will burn your retina), it offers no customization besides the colour of your emojis and even the official Google bots can't understand basic requests like "Schedule a meeting with everyone in this room". Slack is way way (way) ahead of it. The integration with Meet consists of a single "invite to video call" button that creates a new video call and inserts the link into your message. There's no option to stop people from inviting you to new calls/set your Google chat status as busy when accepting a call. Meet itself is also frustrating to use for anything more than a 2-3 person meeting; it doesn't display more than 4 video feeds at once on your screen. It's also unable to save settings between video calls (if you don't want to have incoming and outgoing 720p streams all the time you have to change the settings at the start of every call). Zoom and even Jitsi are both miles ahead of it. There is no reason to use either product besides the fact that they come with enterprise Gmail accounts. They both still feel like prototypes or minimum viable products (especially Chat).
- tssva 6y ago
  Google Meet now shows up to 16 video feeds at once on your screen.
Mindwipe 6y ago
This sounds pretty dreadful bluntly as a product offering. A mobile only consumer proposition is useless. Sounds like Google's internal strategy here is still a disaster.
- 6y ago