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> it's extremely uncommon that you have to put yourself in a position that you can be right hooked I'm not so sure. I think there are definitely things to do t

by MiroF 7y ago

> it's extremely uncommon that you have to put yourself in a position that you can be right hooked I'm not so sure. I think there are definitely things to do that can make you avoid the vast majority of these incidents (don't bike to the right of a car when an intersection is coming up if you can avoid, obviously look at the car's turn signals before passing them on the right, pass on the left when you think someone will turn right, etc.), but there are plenty of instances where it is not avoidable and even experienced cyclists can get right-hooked (like biking on a bike lane on a heavily trafficked road with many side streets to turn off of). > It's naive to think that we're going to train every driver to do the safe thing. I think it's not an either-or. I don't think that we have to throw in the towel on every effort to change behavior - people have been convinced to stop littering to a massive extent, checking your right mirror seems minor in comparison.

mauvehaus 7y ago
> like biking on a bike lane on a heavily trafficked road with many side streets to turn off of With the caveat that my experience is not your experience, I respectfully submit that the bike lane is poorly designed in this case and that it shouldn't be used to travel straight through the intersection in this case. I signal a lane-change to the left before the intersection and go straight through in the regular traffic lane, moving right ASAP after the intersection to not obstruct traffic. My riding is mostly dense urban where traffic is moving slowly enough to do this if I put some hustle into it. > I think it's not an either-or. I don't think that we have to throw in the towel on every effort to change behavior. I am absolutely in agreement that it's not either-or, but if cyclists are doing something that's (almost) always safe, they're a lot less likely to be killed by the untrained drivers, of which there will be many for the foreseeable future. What I do doesn't work for cyclists puttering along at 10mph (or grinding up a hill); the speed difference is too great to safely merge left. Training the drivers greatly increases the safety level for such cyclists on roads with cycle lanes between the regular lanes and the curb.
- MiroF 7y ago
  This is fair, and what you do is essentially the same as what I do and I am also mostly biking in urban cores. That said, I think that we can't just place the onus on bikers to both ignore the drawn on bike lane lines and also to bike considerably faster than they are comfortable without trying to also change driver behavior. I think this mostly agrees with your last point.
  - mauvehaus 7y ago
    On the off chance you check back on the thread, please be safe out there. I just saw the news about the fatal crash on universalhub :-(

by MiroF 7y ago

mauvehaus 7y ago

> like biking on a bike lane on a heavily trafficked road with many side streets to turn off of With the caveat that my experience is not your experience, I respectfully submit that the bike lane is poorly designed in this case and that it shouldn't be used to travel straight through the intersection in this case. I signal a lane-change to the left before the intersection and go straight through in the regular traffic lane, moving right ASAP after the intersection to not obstruct traffic. My riding is mostly dense urban where traffic is moving slowly enough to do this if I put some hustle into it. > I think it's not an either-or. I don't think that we have to throw in the towel on every effort to change behavior. I am absolutely in agreement that it's not either-or, but if cyclists are doing something that's (almost) always safe, they're a lot less likely to be killed by the untrained drivers, of which there will be many for the foreseeable future. What I do doesn't work for cyclists puttering along at 10mph (or grinding up a hill); the speed difference is too great to safely merge left. Training the drivers greatly increases the safety level for such cyclists on roads with cycle lanes between the regular lanes and the curb.

MiroF 7y ago
This is fair, and what you do is essentially the same as what I do and I am also mostly biking in urban cores. That said, I think that we can't just place the onus on bikers to both ignore the drawn on bike lane lines and also to bike considerably faster than they are comfortable without trying to also change driver behavior. I think this mostly agrees with your last point.
- mauvehaus 7y ago
  On the off chance you check back on the thread, please be safe out there. I just saw the news about the fatal crash on universalhub :-(