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I know many smokers that have different logic. They know how bad it is, yet for them it is not hard to quit, but they choose to smoke (often only occasionally o

I know many smokers that have different logic. They know how bad it is, yet for them it is not hard to quit, but they choose to smoke (often only occasionally or "celebratory" as some insurances call it). Many just don't want to quit, don't try, and accept the trade offs of enjoying their vice vs its harms. This choice, like many choices involving vices or other intentional deviations from happiness vs wellbeing, are too often assumed to be made in ignorance. This same misunderstanding also happens when one political persuasion attempts to rationalize the choices of another.

mercer 7y ago
> Many just don't want to quit, don't try, and accept the trade offs of enjoying their vice vs its harms. Unless you've invented a mind-reading device I'm pretty sure you're talking out of your ass. Most people, including myself, might at times express a lack of desire to quit smoking, but it's often not how we really feel about it (especially not in the morning).
- joesb 7y ago
  > Unless you've invented a mind-reading device I'm pretty sure you're talking out of your ass. You may feel that. But you can't know what other smokers feel, either.
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Tijdreiziger 7y ago
> This choice, like many choices involving vices or other intentional deviations from happiness vs wellbeing, are too often assumed to be made in ignorance. Smoking happens to be a vice that has particularly noticeable side-effects on the rest of society. If you lived alone, had an adequate ventilation system (which does not distribute your smoke to your neighbors), and only smoked in your own house, I doubt there would be many complaints. The problems start when you have a family, or when you go outside where others now have to deal with your smoke.
eyelidlessness 7y ago
> I know many smokers that have different logic. They know how bad it is, yet for them it is not hard to quit, but they choose to smoke (often only occasionally or "celebratory" as some insurances call it). Many just don't want to quit, don't try, and accept the trade offs of enjoying their vice vs its harms. I know some people who express the same. I just don't know very many at all who express the delusional sentiments from TFA.

mercer 7y ago

> Many just don't want to quit, don't try, and accept the trade offs of enjoying their vice vs its harms. Unless you've invented a mind-reading device I'm pretty sure you're talking out of your ass. Most people, including myself, might at times express a lack of desire to quit smoking, but it's often not how we really feel about it (especially not in the morning).

joesb 7y ago
> Unless you've invented a mind-reading device I'm pretty sure you're talking out of your ass. You may feel that. But you can't know what other smokers feel, either.

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Tijdreiziger 7y ago

> This choice, like many choices involving vices or other intentional deviations from happiness vs wellbeing, are too often assumed to be made in ignorance. Smoking happens to be a vice that has particularly noticeable side-effects on the rest of society. If you lived alone, had an adequate ventilation system (which does not distribute your smoke to your neighbors), and only smoked in your own house, I doubt there would be many complaints. The problems start when you have a family, or when you go outside where others now have to deal with your smoke.

eyelidlessness 7y ago

> I know many smokers that have different logic. They know how bad it is, yet for them it is not hard to quit, but they choose to smoke (often only occasionally or "celebratory" as some insurances call it). Many just don't want to quit, don't try, and accept the trade offs of enjoying their vice vs its harms. I know some people who express the same. I just don't know very many at all who express the delusional sentiments from TFA.