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Also, pleaassee allow us to set the language of the text-to-speech manually on android without having to switch the lange of the whole OS. In the Netherlands, y

Also, pleaassee allow us to set the language of the text-to-speech manually on android without having to switch the lange of the whole OS. In the Netherlands, you are no longer allowed to hold your phone in your hand or look at it while riding a bike. Purely going by the English text-to-speech for Dutch streetnames is very frustrating, whereas translating the whole OS to Dutch just looks silly (UI concepts work much better in English). See e.g. English: https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&tl=nl&text=Ingenieur%20Driessenstraat https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&t... Or https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&tl=nl&text=Herderstasjepad https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&t... (I guess these examples are only salient for Dutch speakers, but I'm 100% sure that similar cases exist for all other languages, where people don't want to switch the language of their whole OS just to hear streetnames spoken in a non-....stupid way)

crazygringo 6y ago
There are problems both ways. For locals, having English pronunciation sounds absolutely ridiculous. But for tourists, local pronunciation can be utterly unrecognizable. ("Rio Tinto" becomes "Hee-oo Cheen-too".) The mangled English pronuniciation, at least, is mangled to what a tourist can recognize/expect. But I absolutely agree that a toggle would be a super-nice feature. As well as phonetic hints when a road has a different pronunication from what you might guess (especially in English).
- Phemist 6y ago
  Yeah, I understand the problem. I feel like all these UI design decisions are mostly due to a lack of recognition that language-use is not binary. Auto-correct used to be absolutely unusable if you mixed typing in multiple languages on your phone. Now that language toggling is easier it's only really a problem when you mix languages in the same sentence, mixed-language models do not seem to exist (yet?). So yeah, tourists should not be forced to hear Dutch streetnames in Dutch, just as I shouldnt have to change the language settings of my whole phone to hear them in Dutch. Several apps using OSM seem to handle the toggling just fine (e.g. Maps.Me), and apparently the cycling experience is superior on OSM anyway. I used it solely for the offline maps, but maybe I might start using it as my main maps provider.
  - tracker1 6y ago
    Predictive text is still pretty bad when trying to use terms not in English for me...
  - crazygringo 6y ago
    > mixed-language models do not seem to exist (yet?) They have since 2016, at least on iOS. [1] I thought it would be a godsend... but I ended up turning it off, because if I type 98% in language A and 2% in language B, it changed words in language A to language B far more often than made up for getting words in language B right. [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/441836/how-to-set-up-multilingual-typing-in-ios-10/ https://www.cultofmac.com/441836/how-to-set-up-multilingual-...

crazygringo 6y ago

There are problems both ways. For locals, having English pronunciation sounds absolutely ridiculous. But for tourists, local pronunciation can be utterly unrecognizable. ("Rio Tinto" becomes "Hee-oo Cheen-too".) The mangled English pronuniciation, at least, is mangled to what a tourist can recognize/expect. But I absolutely agree that a toggle would be a super-nice feature. As well as phonetic hints when a road has a different pronunication from what you might guess (especially in English).

Phemist 6y ago
Yeah, I understand the problem. I feel like all these UI design decisions are mostly due to a lack of recognition that language-use is not binary. Auto-correct used to be absolutely unusable if you mixed typing in multiple languages on your phone. Now that language toggling is easier it's only really a problem when you mix languages in the same sentence, mixed-language models do not seem to exist (yet?). So yeah, tourists should not be forced to hear Dutch streetnames in Dutch, just as I shouldnt have to change the language settings of my whole phone to hear them in Dutch. Several apps using OSM seem to handle the toggling just fine (e.g. Maps.Me), and apparently the cycling experience is superior on OSM anyway. I used it solely for the offline maps, but maybe I might start using it as my main maps provider.
- tracker1 6y ago
  Predictive text is still pretty bad when trying to use terms not in English for me...
- crazygringo 6y ago
  > mixed-language models do not seem to exist (yet?) They have since 2016, at least on iOS. [1] I thought it would be a godsend... but I ended up turning it off, because if I type 98% in language A and 2% in language B, it changed words in language A to language B far more often than made up for getting words in language B right. [1] https://www.cultofmac.com/441836/how-to-set-up-multilingual-typing-in-ios-10/ https://www.cultofmac.com/441836/how-to-set-up-multilingual-...