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This is the sort of policy imposed company-wide where trying to get an individual exception is very difficult or impossible depending on how bureaucratic your o

This is the sort of policy imposed company-wide where trying to get an individual exception is very difficult or impossible depending on how bureaucratic your organization is, possibly even damaging your career and relationships with your managers. This is exactly the kind of policy change that a union could help tech workers with.

stefan_ 6y ago
Ctrl+F "union" 1 result Of course next time tech unions come up, there will be 10 stories of how their uncle wasn't allowed to plug in a ventilator because he wasn't a union electrician or something.
- enitihas 6y ago
  Why are those stories less relevant though? To have a healthy discussion, one needs as many angles of the story as possible.Also, Unions might not help with this. Unions care about the majority, and vast majority of tech workers have bigger problems than not being able to contribute to their favorite open source.
  - stefan_ 6y ago
    This is Apple you are talking about. The same time they made you sign contracts impeding on your speech in your free time, they were part of a fricking criminal conspiracy to bring down tech wages, to eliminate what limited free market there is for software developers.
  - orangecat 6y ago
    Right. It's even conceivable that a programmer's union would actively oppose side projects and/or open source. Possible reasons: first, developers who participate in them will have stronger resumes, which creates an unfair expectation that you should be doing uncompensated work outside of your job. Second, the existence of free software devalues the work of paid developers. Companies shouldn't be using your open source project for free; they should be paying for union-built software. I entirely disagree with those arguments, but I could see them being appealing to "501 developers" (https://501manifesto.dev/ https://501manifesto.dev/), and they're the majority.
    - danharaj 6y ago
      > Our personal creative projects over commercial products the world doesn't need It's literally on the page you linked to.

stefan_ 6y ago

Ctrl+F "union" 1 result Of course next time tech unions come up, there will be 10 stories of how their uncle wasn't allowed to plug in a ventilator because he wasn't a union electrician or something.

enitihas 6y ago
Why are those stories less relevant though? To have a healthy discussion, one needs as many angles of the story as possible.Also, Unions might not help with this. Unions care about the majority, and vast majority of tech workers have bigger problems than not being able to contribute to their favorite open source.
- stefan_ 6y ago
  This is Apple you are talking about. The same time they made you sign contracts impeding on your speech in your free time, they were part of a fricking criminal conspiracy to bring down tech wages, to eliminate what limited free market there is for software developers.
- orangecat 6y ago
  Right. It's even conceivable that a programmer's union would actively oppose side projects and/or open source. Possible reasons: first, developers who participate in them will have stronger resumes, which creates an unfair expectation that you should be doing uncompensated work outside of your job. Second, the existence of free software devalues the work of paid developers. Companies shouldn't be using your open source project for free; they should be paying for union-built software. I entirely disagree with those arguments, but I could see them being appealing to "501 developers" (https://501manifesto.dev/ https://501manifesto.dev/), and they're the majority.
  - danharaj 6y ago
    > Our personal creative projects over commercial products the world doesn't need It's literally on the page you linked to.