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You know what else is interesting? Their "no sales" sales philosophy. For me its the reason never to buy it. I actually revolt when I hear their reasons. I feel

You know what else is interesting? Their "no sales" sales philosophy. For me its the reason never to buy it. I actually revolt when I hear their reasons. I feel like it comes down to: we are willing to hurt our options for making more profit to prevent people with lesser budgets from buying it. But its very interesting since a lot of people have the opposite reaction. They feel it is more valuable if it doesn't go on sale and they can support the developer by paying a 'fair' price.

notthemessiah 7y ago
Factorio is a polished experience, with devs committed to bringing it not just to completion, but to perfection (with performance, aesthetics, and balanced gameplay). In contrast, most AAA games are bland experiences built under sweatshops, and most Early Access games wind up half-assed or as abandonware. If there's any game worth your money, it's Factorio.
- timwaagh 7y ago
  I don't doubt that it's worth the money. I just dislike their attitude. If it was a perfect fit for me, I'd swallow it and get it, sure. But thruth is I'm only a very occasional puzzle gamer. So i'd probably not play it much or at all. Also, let's not overgeneralize. I'm pretty sure a lot of indie devs are effectively sweatshops too. They face much less regulatory scrutiny and people tend to forgive them easily. Examples like Telltale and Riot tell us how ugly things can get if they grow too quickly and continue operating that way. Which doesn't mean factorio devs are that way too. there is just no way to know. It also depends on the country. For example gaming AAA giant Ubisoft is French. French regulations do not permit much in terms of unpaid overtime.
  - notthemessiah 7y ago
    > But thruth is I'm only a very occasional puzzle gamer. So i'd probably not play it much or at all. Then why should you care about what the makers of Factorio do? > Examples like Telltale and Riot tell us how ugly things can get if they grow too quickly and continue operating that way. Do Factorio developers show any sign that they're "growing too quickly"? Telltale took on dozens of contracts for games that showed no sign of selling well, and Riot went public and were acquired and became Tencent's bitch. How is any of that relevant to Factorio not going on sale?
    - timwaagh 7y ago
      > Then why should you care about what the makers of Factorio do? As I said I find it very interesting how people respond to it. This whole thread is an example why. That makes it interesting. Why Factorio? Why not 'Farming Simulator'? Theres other games like this too. For example Dominions. You can't criticize that either without getting /significant/ pushback. What do Dominions and Factorio have in common. I'd say they are both very hardcore games that attract a certain audience. It reminds me of review wars when coding. trying to find every little thing to nitpick on. People really butting heads against each other for no good reason. The spite, the vindictiveness. How we all get caught up in these arguments. > Do Factorio developers show any sign that they're "growing too quickly"? Telltale took on dozens of contracts for games that showed no sign of selling well, and Riot went public and were acquired and became Tencent's bitch. How is any of that relevant to Factorio not going on sale? It's not... The comment I was replying to was making other assertions. I would also like to ask you to not use that word again.
pmoriarty 7y ago
You can play Factorio's demo for free. There's actually quite a lot you can do in it, and it's what hooked me on the game. You might feel different about paying full price for it after you play the demo. For me, Factorio is easily worth twice or even three times the price they're charging. I've pissed away so much money on half-baked, low effort, insanely buggy games, and even "cheap" games are usually not worth the money. With some games, I feel the developers should have been paying me for what amounted to beta-testing their buggy, poorly conceived and executed product and wasting my time. Factorio is different. It's true work of love. The developers could have abandoned the game years ago and it still would have been one of the most feature rich, well thought-out, and stable game ever made. But they've kept working on it and adding new things to it without charging anything extra, in contrast to what many other game studios have done when they've released content or new versions of their game and charged for it. Factorio just keeps getting better and better, and all I've paid was the initial $30 for the game. Factorio's modding community is also absolutely fantastic, and they've enriched the game many fold as their mods exponentially increase the possibilities in the game and give you tons of new content.. for free.
- timwaagh 7y ago
  Well for every game thats worth thrice the money you buy four that are worth ~$0 regardless of them being objectively great games because you turn out not having fun. At least I do. I could tell you Assasins Creed Oddysea is worth thrice the money, because it is, for me. But for you possibly not so much. But maybe I'll check the demo. I wont be giving them any money by playing it. And maybe its so good that i will forgive them their antics. We'll see.

notthemessiah 7y ago

Factorio is a polished experience, with devs committed to bringing it not just to completion, but to perfection (with performance, aesthetics, and balanced gameplay). In contrast, most AAA games are bland experiences built under sweatshops, and most Early Access games wind up half-assed or as abandonware. If there's any game worth your money, it's Factorio.

timwaagh 7y ago
I don't doubt that it's worth the money. I just dislike their attitude. If it was a perfect fit for me, I'd swallow it and get it, sure. But thruth is I'm only a very occasional puzzle gamer. So i'd probably not play it much or at all. Also, let's not overgeneralize. I'm pretty sure a lot of indie devs are effectively sweatshops too. They face much less regulatory scrutiny and people tend to forgive them easily. Examples like Telltale and Riot tell us how ugly things can get if they grow too quickly and continue operating that way. Which doesn't mean factorio devs are that way too. there is just no way to know. It also depends on the country. For example gaming AAA giant Ubisoft is French. French regulations do not permit much in terms of unpaid overtime.
- notthemessiah 7y ago
  > But thruth is I'm only a very occasional puzzle gamer. So i'd probably not play it much or at all. Then why should you care about what the makers of Factorio do? > Examples like Telltale and Riot tell us how ugly things can get if they grow too quickly and continue operating that way. Do Factorio developers show any sign that they're "growing too quickly"? Telltale took on dozens of contracts for games that showed no sign of selling well, and Riot went public and were acquired and became Tencent's bitch. How is any of that relevant to Factorio not going on sale?
  - timwaagh 7y ago
    > Then why should you care about what the makers of Factorio do? As I said I find it very interesting how people respond to it. This whole thread is an example why. That makes it interesting. Why Factorio? Why not 'Farming Simulator'? Theres other games like this too. For example Dominions. You can't criticize that either without getting /significant/ pushback. What do Dominions and Factorio have in common. I'd say they are both very hardcore games that attract a certain audience. It reminds me of review wars when coding. trying to find every little thing to nitpick on. People really butting heads against each other for no good reason. The spite, the vindictiveness. How we all get caught up in these arguments. > Do Factorio developers show any sign that they're "growing too quickly"? Telltale took on dozens of contracts for games that showed no sign of selling well, and Riot went public and were acquired and became Tencent's bitch. How is any of that relevant to Factorio not going on sale? It's not... The comment I was replying to was making other assertions. I would also like to ask you to not use that word again.

pmoriarty 7y ago

You can play Factorio's demo for free. There's actually quite a lot you can do in it, and it's what hooked me on the game. You might feel different about paying full price for it after you play the demo. For me, Factorio is easily worth twice or even three times the price they're charging. I've pissed away so much money on half-baked, low effort, insanely buggy games, and even "cheap" games are usually not worth the money. With some games, I feel the developers should have been paying me for what amounted to beta-testing their buggy, poorly conceived and executed product and wasting my time. Factorio is different. It's true work of love. The developers could have abandoned the game years ago and it still would have been one of the most feature rich, well thought-out, and stable game ever made. But they've kept working on it and adding new things to it without charging anything extra, in contrast to what many other game studios have done when they've released content or new versions of their game and charged for it. Factorio just keeps getting better and better, and all I've paid was the initial $30 for the game. Factorio's modding community is also absolutely fantastic, and they've enriched the game many fold as their mods exponentially increase the possibilities in the game and give you tons of new content.. for free.

timwaagh 7y ago
Well for every game thats worth thrice the money you buy four that are worth ~$0 regardless of them being objectively great games because you turn out not having fun. At least I do. I could tell you Assasins Creed Oddysea is worth thrice the money, because it is, for me. But for you possibly not so much. But maybe I'll check the demo. I wont be giving them any money by playing it. And maybe its so good that i will forgive them their antics. We'll see.