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>>on the altar of the economy. Well that tells me some of my earlier assumption are infact going to end up being correct in that your political and economic po

by syshum 7y ago

>>on the altar of the economy. Well that tells me some of my earlier assumption are infact going to end up being correct in that your political and economic positions lean pretty close to Authoritarian Socialism vs my Libertarian Free Market views I completely reject this idea that the economy should be ignored in a time of crisis, and I also believe that if the lock down extends beyond the 2nd week of may the actual death rate due to economic loss will be higher than that of the virus. Unemployment does direct cause death, both due to increase rates of suscide, property crime, homelessness and other conditions. This idea that the economy is some religion that we want to " sacrifice people lives on" is a completely disingenuous comment and appears you are the one making assumptions now about my beliefs I think there was and is a better way to handle pandemics. Better than simply shutting down the entire economy, locking people in their homes, putting millions out for work, shutting permanently thousands of business, destroying Families, etc all the while expecting fiat currency printing and debt to get us through. The economy does matter, livelihoods do matter, that is not a alter for people to be sacrifice on, it is reality. Ignore it at your own peril. I suspect given the general user base on HN, that your job (like mine) is insulated from the economic effects of this, I may see a 4-8% reduction in income this year over last. Where we differ is I recognize that not everyone is as lucky as I am, I am not about to scream "let me eat cake" and ignore their economic hardship like you seem to be able to do easily

ardy42 7y ago
> Well that tells me some of my earlier assumption are infact going to end up being correct in that your political and economic positions lean pretty close to Authoritarian Socialism vs my Libertarian Free Market views LOL! You're funny! > I think there was and is a better way to handle pandemics. Better than simply shutting down the entire economy, locking people in their homes, putting millions out for work, shutting permanently thousands of business, destroying Families, etc all the while expecting fiat currency printing and debt to get us through. There could have been, but many groups without foresight worked to fuck it up. You can thank them for your stay at home order, which is now necessary and reasonable: How Tea Party Budget Battles Left the National Emergency Medical Stockpile Unprepared for Coronavirus (https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stockpile-funding-unprepared-coronavirus https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stoc...) The U.S. Tried to Build a New Fleet of Ventilators. The Mission Failed. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-v...) > Government officials and executives at rival ventilator companies said they suspected that Covidien had acquired Newport to prevent it from building a cheaper product that would undermine Covidien’s profits from its existing ventilator business.... In 2014 ... Covidien executives told officials at the biomedical research agency that they wanted to get out of the contract, according to three former federal officials. The executives complained that it was not sufficiently profitable for the company. Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’ (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-...) ‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-de...) Not to mention the inept response and denialism at the federal level that wasted the lead time the US could have used to prepare for this pandemic, and that have continued to the present.

by syshum 7y ago

ardy42 7y ago

> Well that tells me some of my earlier assumption are infact going to end up being correct in that your political and economic positions lean pretty close to Authoritarian Socialism vs my Libertarian Free Market views LOL! You're funny! > I think there was and is a better way to handle pandemics. Better than simply shutting down the entire economy, locking people in their homes, putting millions out for work, shutting permanently thousands of business, destroying Families, etc all the while expecting fiat currency printing and debt to get us through. There could have been, but many groups without foresight worked to fuck it up. You can thank them for your stay at home order, which is now necessary and reasonable: How Tea Party Budget Battles Left the National Emergency Medical Stockpile Unprepared for Coronavirus (https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stockpile-funding-unprepared-coronavirus https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stoc...) The U.S. Tried to Build a New Fleet of Ventilators. The Mission Failed. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-v...) > Government officials and executives at rival ventilator companies said they suspected that Covidien had acquired Newport to prevent it from building a cheaper product that would undermine Covidien’s profits from its existing ventilator business.... In 2014 ... Covidien executives told officials at the biomedical research agency that they wanted to get out of the contract, according to three former federal officials. The executives complained that it was not sufficiently profitable for the company. Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’ (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-...) ‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-de...) Not to mention the inept response and denialism at the federal level that wasted the lead time the US could have used to prepare for this pandemic, and that have continued to the present.