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Yes. This would also make me consider moving from a Mac.

by uyuioi 6y ago

Razengan 6y ago
Are you on a Mac just because of the CPU? What do you do that solely depends on the CPU and would improve so much by moving to AMD, at the cost of a completely different OS and software? It would still be beleaguered by Windows, the main reason most of us moved to Macs. :)
- oyashirochama 6y ago
  I mean honestly the only reason I would stay with Mac would be the 4 TB3 ports, the heat and performance of MacOS pales in comparison to their Windows software production counterparts.
  - Razengan 6y ago
    macOS' thermal management of macOS appears to be better than Windows': https://youtu.be/LGOmbNRlZdM?t=495 https://youtu.be/LGOmbNRlZdM?t=495 (8:15) It also gives a better battery life on average compared to Windows on the same machine. And the new Mac Pro is apparently a beast in performance and cooling.
    - philliphaydon 6y ago
      > It also gives a better battery life on average compared to Windows on the same machine. Only if you have a dedicated gpu. Because OSX can easily switch between integrated and discrete. On my Macbook 12" I get 2 extra hours out of Windows 10. But on my old Retina Mac Pro I get almost half the time out of Windows 10. It's a shame that Apple wont go AMD because the battery life would be awesome on OSX with discrete gpu.
      - Razengan 6y ago
        > It's a shame that Apple wont go AMD I think they're probably just gonna go with their own custom ARM processors, which may have even better battery life.
        holtalanm 6y ago
        I feel like going to ARM will alienate the customer base of developers that Apple has, won't it?
        maratc 6y ago
        The developers that use XCode with Objective-C probably won't feel any difference as XCode will likely just silently compile the code into ARM (or both a la universal package from PPC days). It's too early to tell though.
        holtalanm 6y ago
        there are a lot of programmers that use mac OS that don't even touch Swift or Objective-C. I'm in the web development industry, and I'd say 50% of the developers I know use apple computers for their job. Java, Ruby, even C#.
        maratc 6y ago
        After Java/Ruby/C# runtimes are recompiled for ARM, these guys not gonna feel any change as well.
        holtalanm 6y ago
        that seems a little simplistic. It isn't just the runtimes, but also all the tooling that goes with it. There would be a lot of work involved with recompiling all tooling and runtimes to work on ARM, and would probably alienate a large portion of developers currently using Apple products as a result.
    - unicornfinder 6y ago
      I will say I consistently get better benchmark scores on CPU in macOS than Windows, but anything that involves the GPU is hilariously poor on macOS compared to Windows.
      - Razengan 6y ago
        > but anything that involves the GPU Even on Metal?

Yes. This would also make me consider moving from a Mac.

by uyuioi 6y ago

Yes. This would also make me consider moving from a Mac.

Are you on a Mac just because of the CPU? What do you do that solely depends on the CPU and would improve so much by moving to AMD, at the cost of a completely different OS and software? It would still be beleaguered by Windows, the main reason most of us moved to Macs. :)

oyashirochama 6y ago
I mean honestly the only reason I would stay with Mac would be the 4 TB3 ports, the heat and performance of MacOS pales in comparison to their Windows software production counterparts.
- Razengan 6y ago
  macOS' thermal management of macOS appears to be better than Windows': https://youtu.be/LGOmbNRlZdM?t=495 https://youtu.be/LGOmbNRlZdM?t=495 (8:15) It also gives a better battery life on average compared to Windows on the same machine. And the new Mac Pro is apparently a beast in performance and cooling.
  - philliphaydon 6y ago
    > It also gives a better battery life on average compared to Windows on the same machine. Only if you have a dedicated gpu. Because OSX can easily switch between integrated and discrete. On my Macbook 12" I get 2 extra hours out of Windows 10. But on my old Retina Mac Pro I get almost half the time out of Windows 10. It's a shame that Apple wont go AMD because the battery life would be awesome on OSX with discrete gpu.
    - Razengan 6y ago
      > It's a shame that Apple wont go AMD I think they're probably just gonna go with their own custom ARM processors, which may have even better battery life.
      - holtalanm 6y ago
        I feel like going to ARM will alienate the customer base of developers that Apple has, won't it?
        maratc 6y ago
        The developers that use XCode with Objective-C probably won't feel any difference as XCode will likely just silently compile the code into ARM (or both a la universal package from PPC days). It's too early to tell though.
        holtalanm 6y ago
        there are a lot of programmers that use mac OS that don't even touch Swift or Objective-C. I'm in the web development industry, and I'd say 50% of the developers I know use apple computers for their job. Java, Ruby, even C#.
        maratc 6y ago
        After Java/Ruby/C# runtimes are recompiled for ARM, these guys not gonna feel any change as well.
        holtalanm 6y ago
        that seems a little simplistic. It isn't just the runtimes, but also all the tooling that goes with it. There would be a lot of work involved with recompiling all tooling and runtimes to work on ARM, and would probably alienate a large portion of developers currently using Apple products as a result.
  - unicornfinder 6y ago
    I will say I consistently get better benchmark scores on CPU in macOS than Windows, but anything that involves the GPU is hilariously poor on macOS compared to Windows.
    - Razengan 6y ago
      > but anything that involves the GPU Even on Metal?