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NZ and Aus wasn't in flu season already, this has a big impact on outcomes, we got lucky in that respect with forewarning. Singapore's resurgence is pretty una

NZ and Aus wasn't in flu season already, this has a big impact on outcomes, we got lucky in that respect with forewarning. Singapore's resurgence is pretty unavoidable, there's simply nowhere else for these foreign workers to go. Despite the case numbers deaths are remarkably low, basically all of these dorms are getting tested leading to resurgence in case numbers, it's tens of thousands of people. So despite all the socio-political criticisms in your post how about addressing the quoted comment? They are far lower death rates, it's undeniable. Singapore has had 11 deaths. Malaysia 90. South Korea and Japan ~230.

vosper 6y ago
> Singapore's resurgence is pretty unavoidable, there's simply nowhere else for these foreign workers to go. Despite the case numbers deaths are remarkably low, basically all of these dorms are getting tested leading to resurgence in case numbers, it's tens of thousands of people. > So despite all the socio-political criticisms in your post how about addressing the quoted comment? > They are far lower death rates, it's undeniable. Singapore has had 11 deaths. Malaysia 90. South Korea and Japan ~230. The deaths lag behind the newly-identified infections. Singapore's resurgence now won't translate into more deaths for a 5-15 days. Japan's probably in the same situation - aging population and all. The article I linked to, warning of a "collapse" in Japan's healthcare system, doesn't inspire a lot of hope for the immediate future. I didn't say anything about South Korea or Malaysia, seems like they've done a good job so far. I'm not saying all his examples are wrong, just that he's cherry-picking. Anyway the article has nothing really to do with South Korea or Singapore or Malaysia - Malaysia is not even mentioned! He could have mentioned them, if they're doing well and the article was actually about Asian leadership in the crisis and it's after effects, and not just more speculation about China's possible political intentions.
cylinder 6y ago
we were in flu season - 2200 cases in Feb in Australia. Social distancing killed the flu too.
lazylizard 6y ago
328k ppl living in those dorms.
squiggleblaz 6y ago
Since a coronavirus isn't an influenza virus, I don't see what it matters whether Australia or New Zealand were in flu season. Moreover, it's now flu season and people are tiring of the social distancing measures and new cases per day are extremely low. Australians and New Zealanders can rightly be annoyed that the responses were not excellent - but the responses were basically adequate. They were just enough and a little bit late - compared to europe which was too little too late. If diverse countries like Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia and Vietnam were capable of mounting competent responses (during the Taiwanese/South Korean flu season), there is no reason to say that Australia/New Zealand were somehow incapable. It's far more likely that we were "lucky" because our timezone and flight time was too far apart to become part of the conversations that lead to social suicide, so our leaders made basically competent responses.
- flohofwoe 6y ago
  One important goal of the "flatten the curve" actions in Germany was to delay the CORVID-19 outbreak enough so that it will be separated from the flu season (which apparently was also unusually bad this year) This article is from 20-Feb-2020: https://www.dw.com/en/massive-flu-wave-grips-germany/a-52445643 https://www.dw.com/en/massive-flu-wave-grips-germany/a-52445...

vosper 6y ago

> Singapore's resurgence is pretty unavoidable, there's simply nowhere else for these foreign workers to go. Despite the case numbers deaths are remarkably low, basically all of these dorms are getting tested leading to resurgence in case numbers, it's tens of thousands of people. > So despite all the socio-political criticisms in your post how about addressing the quoted comment? > They are far lower death rates, it's undeniable. Singapore has had 11 deaths. Malaysia 90. South Korea and Japan ~230. The deaths lag behind the newly-identified infections. Singapore's resurgence now won't translate into more deaths for a 5-15 days. Japan's probably in the same situation - aging population and all. The article I linked to, warning of a "collapse" in Japan's healthcare system, doesn't inspire a lot of hope for the immediate future. I didn't say anything about South Korea or Malaysia, seems like they've done a good job so far. I'm not saying all his examples are wrong, just that he's cherry-picking. Anyway the article has nothing really to do with South Korea or Singapore or Malaysia - Malaysia is not even mentioned! He could have mentioned them, if they're doing well and the article was actually about Asian leadership in the crisis and it's after effects, and not just more speculation about China's possible political intentions.

cylinder 6y ago

we were in flu season - 2200 cases in Feb in Australia. Social distancing killed the flu too.

lazylizard 6y ago

328k ppl living in those dorms.

squiggleblaz 6y ago

Since a coronavirus isn't an influenza virus, I don't see what it matters whether Australia or New Zealand were in flu season. Moreover, it's now flu season and people are tiring of the social distancing measures and new cases per day are extremely low. Australians and New Zealanders can rightly be annoyed that the responses were not excellent - but the responses were basically adequate. They were just enough and a little bit late - compared to europe which was too little too late. If diverse countries like Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia and Vietnam were capable of mounting competent responses (during the Taiwanese/South Korean flu season), there is no reason to say that Australia/New Zealand were somehow incapable. It's far more likely that we were "lucky" because our timezone and flight time was too far apart to become part of the conversations that lead to social suicide, so our leaders made basically competent responses.

flohofwoe 6y ago
One important goal of the "flatten the curve" actions in Germany was to delay the CORVID-19 outbreak enough so that it will be separated from the flu season (which apparently was also unusually bad this year) This article is from 20-Feb-2020: https://www.dw.com/en/massive-flu-wave-grips-germany/a-52445643 https://www.dw.com/en/massive-flu-wave-grips-germany/a-52445...