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This is cruel to international families. My wife and I cannot live in the US (I am a citizen) because Trump banned immigration from her country in his previous

This is cruel to international families. My wife and I cannot live in the US (I am a citizen) because Trump banned immigration from her country in his previous ban, so she cannot obtain a residency visa. Luckily her country isn’t cruel towards families and allows me to live here. The US also doesn’t allow residence for in-laws (only blood relatives of citizens). Meaning we would have to leave my wife’s mother alone for 5 years until she could become a citizen and finish the application - if we were allowed to move to the US.

coolspot 7y ago
Why you feel entitled to an expedited US residency for relative of your wife?
- alexmingoia 7y ago
  If wanting to live with and care for my family is entitled, then I'm entitled. I do feel entitled to my life, liberty, and peaceful pursuit of my happiness. Why do you feel the need to use violence to control where people live and work? You don't even know me, have no relationship with me, yet you want to control where me and my family live.
  - Smudge 7y ago
    Well said, and I'm sorry you had to deal with such a heartless reply.
    - Splognosticus 7y ago
      It's a shame really. I bet GP would never say something so cruel to OP's face, but somehow when it's just words on a screen folks lose all sense of empathy and civility.
      - tartoran 7y ago
        Not only that but OP makes a vague statement and doesn’t know the details of this case. I bet OP is a frantic Trump supporter and is blind to any criticism of Trump. Let’s remind him: The USA is built on immigrants and that’s what made this country successful in the first place. Nearly everyone in this country is an immigrant or a direct descendent of immigrants except for the native Americans who are the only non immigrants in this country. Second, this country would not survive without the work of immigrants or foreign workers. And if those foreign workers would not have a path to citizenship they would go some other place. I work with brilliant Indian IT workers on various visas for work, and if there is no path to citizenship for them then the incentive to work for the US is very small. All of them use their brains, taxes and spend most of their earnings in the US economy. Imagine what blow to the US Economy would be if they all left to some other place... In reality it’s not anti-immigration that is a bigger issue than racism and bigotry
        pinkfoot 7y ago
        Then why have any immigration laws at all? If every possible immigrant is a positive contribution. But… if some are a drain on your limited resources, unhealthy competition for your most vulnerable, or just plain dangerous to your values, then you need immigration laws. Which is what pretty much every country on earth has concluded. Even the poorest.
        tartoran 7y ago
        Why mentioned illegal immigration? That should be illegal in the first place. What Trump does is temporarily suspend ALL immigration. There's a drain on limited resources but the idea in America was to attract all the talent and this resulted brain drain in other places, which for a US was a winning point. So, maybe this is a good thing, for other countries?? And let me remind you the real reason the limited resources are being drained the most: the rich eschew their taxes through tax heavens and what not. It is easy to blame it on immigrants to move the attention away from the tax loopholes and other shenanigans the super rich are doing.
        7y ago
  - burfog 7y ago
    You seem to have found life, liberty, and peaceful pursuit of happiness. It just isn't in the USA. To avoid tax and banking trouble, you'll want to ditch the US citizenship. Avoiding the trouble is probably well worth the fee and the trip to a US embassy.
- dang 7y ago
  "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
unsignedchar 7y ago
Like many policies intended to appeal to the average Republican voter, the cruelty is the point https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/opinion/understanding-republican-cruelty.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/opinion/understanding-rep... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelt...

coolspot 7y ago

Why you feel entitled to an expedited US residency for relative of your wife?

alexmingoia 7y ago
If wanting to live with and care for my family is entitled, then I'm entitled. I do feel entitled to my life, liberty, and peaceful pursuit of my happiness. Why do you feel the need to use violence to control where people live and work? You don't even know me, have no relationship with me, yet you want to control where me and my family live.
- Smudge 7y ago
  Well said, and I'm sorry you had to deal with such a heartless reply.
  - Splognosticus 7y ago
    It's a shame really. I bet GP would never say something so cruel to OP's face, but somehow when it's just words on a screen folks lose all sense of empathy and civility.
    - tartoran 7y ago
      Not only that but OP makes a vague statement and doesn’t know the details of this case. I bet OP is a frantic Trump supporter and is blind to any criticism of Trump. Let’s remind him: The USA is built on immigrants and that’s what made this country successful in the first place. Nearly everyone in this country is an immigrant or a direct descendent of immigrants except for the native Americans who are the only non immigrants in this country. Second, this country would not survive without the work of immigrants or foreign workers. And if those foreign workers would not have a path to citizenship they would go some other place. I work with brilliant Indian IT workers on various visas for work, and if there is no path to citizenship for them then the incentive to work for the US is very small. All of them use their brains, taxes and spend most of their earnings in the US economy. Imagine what blow to the US Economy would be if they all left to some other place... In reality it’s not anti-immigration that is a bigger issue than racism and bigotry
      - pinkfoot 7y ago
        Then why have any immigration laws at all? If every possible immigrant is a positive contribution. But… if some are a drain on your limited resources, unhealthy competition for your most vulnerable, or just plain dangerous to your values, then you need immigration laws. Which is what pretty much every country on earth has concluded. Even the poorest.
        tartoran 7y ago
        Why mentioned illegal immigration? That should be illegal in the first place. What Trump does is temporarily suspend ALL immigration. There's a drain on limited resources but the idea in America was to attract all the talent and this resulted brain drain in other places, which for a US was a winning point. So, maybe this is a good thing, for other countries?? And let me remind you the real reason the limited resources are being drained the most: the rich eschew their taxes through tax heavens and what not. It is easy to blame it on immigrants to move the attention away from the tax loopholes and other shenanigans the super rich are doing.
        7y ago
- burfog 7y ago
  You seem to have found life, liberty, and peaceful pursuit of happiness. It just isn't in the USA. To avoid tax and banking trouble, you'll want to ditch the US citizenship. Avoiding the trouble is probably well worth the fee and the trip to a US embassy.
dang 7y ago
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

unsignedchar 7y ago

Like many policies intended to appeal to the average Republican voter, the cruelty is the point https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/opinion/understanding-republican-cruelty.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/opinion/understanding-rep... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelt...