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Implications?

by omot 6y ago

Implications?

macintux 6y ago
If it’s true, instability in a rogue state with nuclear weapons and a loaded gun pointing at Seoul. The possibility of a flood of refugees entering China when it’s struggling to contain a new deadly virus. So, hard to say, but unlikely to be good implications.
- koolba 6y ago
  If you’re a North Korean barely not starving to death, it’ll likely be an improvement. Hell, enough turmoil that you don’t get shot when fleeing across the border would be an improvement.
  - tasogare 6y ago
    You are assuming most people want to quit their country, with of no proof or argument. If anything, a bunch of defectors into the South are disappointed by what they found there. Also it’s not the NK government starving its citizens to death (that strategy doesn’t make sense to keep the power), it’s the US by imposing economic sanctions. The live of the people in this country would improve if they were allow to do business with the rest of the world. Finally, the divide exists uniquely because of US intervention, and the state would probably have normalized its relationships to the world by now, like China and Vietnam did, if there wasn’t the forced antagonism caused by an enemy state existing just South.
    - anthonybullard 6y ago
      You very clearly no little about the political and economic philosophy of the country(Juche). From Wikipedia: > The Juche theory is the belief that through self-reliance and a strong independent state, true socialism can be achieved. This isn't really started strongly enough about their views (or at least what they tell their citizens) as regards self-reliance. Most of the famines there have been caused by incompetence. But they are called the Hermit Kingdom for a reason. They want to do it themselves. They have the resources to create nuclear weapons, but not feed their population? I honestly don't understand how people can make excuses for a regime that had literally provided no value to their people or the world except for war, murder, and suffering. Note: Was a Korean linguist in a branch of the US military. Might make some people think I was brainwashed, but actually just gave me actual context on the country and it's people.
      - dingaling 6y ago
        > The Juche theory is the belief that... Those are just words. The actual philosophy is that the Kim dynasty wants to play god with their own little world, without consequences. They've had 80 years to establish the Socialist Dream and instead continue to be nasty, petty tyrants. They've no more interest in socialism than does a schoolyard bully. > They want to do it themselves. They as in the average NK working in a field? He'd happily eat US-provided wheat, if the regime let him do so without punishment. Or they as in the dynasty who go abroad for education instead of 'doing it themselves' and who relied on Pakistan nuclear scientists instead of 'doing it themselves' and who rely on Chinese and Russian armaments to maintain their regime of fear? I mean to get to Pyongyang you have to fly on a Russian-built airliner...
    - flukus 6y ago
      > Finally, the divide exists uniquely because of US intervention The division exists as a result of WW2, and all the antagonism came from the north: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea > Also it’s not the NK government starving its citizens to death (that strategy doesn’t make sense to keep the power), it’s the US by imposing economic sanctions. Not that I agree economic sanctions are good policy, but the sanctions exist largely because NK is developing nuclear weapons which they view as more important than feeding their people. NK is in the driving seat here and could drop their nuclear program at any time. > You are assuming most people want to quit their country We can only assume, we can't exist run a poll in the worlds most totalitarian regime. The desire to be well nourished is a fairly safe assumption though.
  - yongjik 6y ago
    Enough turmoil and you can get dragged into a field and get shot for being part of a wrong town. There are many ways lives of North Koreans can get worse - history of both Koreas during mid-20th century is a testament to that.
- hckr_news 6y ago
  Interesting times
hindsightbias 6y ago
Xi Jinping has another big problem. Perfect timing.

Implications?

by omot 6y ago

Implications?

If it’s true, instability in a rogue state with nuclear weapons and a loaded gun pointing at Seoul. The possibility of a flood of refugees entering China when it’s struggling to contain a new deadly virus. So, hard to say, but unlikely to be good implications.

koolba 6y ago
If you’re a North Korean barely not starving to death, it’ll likely be an improvement. Hell, enough turmoil that you don’t get shot when fleeing across the border would be an improvement.
- tasogare 6y ago
  You are assuming most people want to quit their country, with of no proof or argument. If anything, a bunch of defectors into the South are disappointed by what they found there. Also it’s not the NK government starving its citizens to death (that strategy doesn’t make sense to keep the power), it’s the US by imposing economic sanctions. The live of the people in this country would improve if they were allow to do business with the rest of the world. Finally, the divide exists uniquely because of US intervention, and the state would probably have normalized its relationships to the world by now, like China and Vietnam did, if there wasn’t the forced antagonism caused by an enemy state existing just South.
  - anthonybullard 6y ago
    You very clearly no little about the political and economic philosophy of the country(Juche). From Wikipedia: > The Juche theory is the belief that through self-reliance and a strong independent state, true socialism can be achieved. This isn't really started strongly enough about their views (or at least what they tell their citizens) as regards self-reliance. Most of the famines there have been caused by incompetence. But they are called the Hermit Kingdom for a reason. They want to do it themselves. They have the resources to create nuclear weapons, but not feed their population? I honestly don't understand how people can make excuses for a regime that had literally provided no value to their people or the world except for war, murder, and suffering. Note: Was a Korean linguist in a branch of the US military. Might make some people think I was brainwashed, but actually just gave me actual context on the country and it's people.
    - dingaling 6y ago
      > The Juche theory is the belief that... Those are just words. The actual philosophy is that the Kim dynasty wants to play god with their own little world, without consequences. They've had 80 years to establish the Socialist Dream and instead continue to be nasty, petty tyrants. They've no more interest in socialism than does a schoolyard bully. > They want to do it themselves. They as in the average NK working in a field? He'd happily eat US-provided wheat, if the regime let him do so without punishment. Or they as in the dynasty who go abroad for education instead of 'doing it themselves' and who relied on Pakistan nuclear scientists instead of 'doing it themselves' and who rely on Chinese and Russian armaments to maintain their regime of fear? I mean to get to Pyongyang you have to fly on a Russian-built airliner...
  - flukus 6y ago
    > Finally, the divide exists uniquely because of US intervention The division exists as a result of WW2, and all the antagonism came from the north: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea > Also it’s not the NK government starving its citizens to death (that strategy doesn’t make sense to keep the power), it’s the US by imposing economic sanctions. Not that I agree economic sanctions are good policy, but the sanctions exist largely because NK is developing nuclear weapons which they view as more important than feeding their people. NK is in the driving seat here and could drop their nuclear program at any time. > You are assuming most people want to quit their country We can only assume, we can't exist run a poll in the worlds most totalitarian regime. The desire to be well nourished is a fairly safe assumption though.
- yongjik 6y ago
  Enough turmoil and you can get dragged into a field and get shot for being part of a wrong town. There are many ways lives of North Koreans can get worse - history of both Koreas during mid-20th century is a testament to that.
hckr_news 6y ago
Interesting times

hindsightbias 6y ago

Xi Jinping has another big problem. Perfect timing.