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That was mentioned in the article - it was described as disastrous, at least initially. Now? China has a firmer grasp on the problem of COVID-19 and are battlin

That was mentioned in the article - it was described as disastrous, at least initially. Now? China has a firmer grasp on the problem of COVID-19 and are battling it on many fronts, including the geopolitical. Western governments (edit:those listed in the article such as the US and European powers), on the other hand, have been beset by decades of political parties attacking the legitimacy and foundations of the political system in order to score points against their rivals. This has led to a widespread unease and distrust among their voters, and a subsequent weakening of their governmental controls and regulations. I don't agree with all the points raised in this piece, and I suspect that this weakness of the West is part of a longer cycle. But, for now, there is some points raised in this article that we should ponder.

rumanator 6y ago
> China has a firmer grasp on the problem of COVID-19 Between covering up the fact that their death rate was a few orders of magnitude higher and deciding to intentionally leaving out infected but asymptomatic cases from their infection statistics while boasting that new cases occurred due to infected foreigners entering the country , it's patently obvious that the Chinese regime does not and never had a good grasp on the problem. And if that does not convince you, let's not forget that the Chinese regime's talking heads tried to pin the blame of their outbreak on Italy.
- vosper 6y ago
  > it's patently obvious that the Chinese regime does not and never had a good grasp on the problem. I think they had a good grasp on the problem, but the problem to them was (as it always is for China’s leadership) firstly about maintaining control, and at best secondarily about dealing with Covid.
  - rumanator 6y ago
    Becoming aware of the true extent of their mess and having a good grasp on the problem are two entirely different things. Moreover, the only reason why China's covid19 outbreak threatened the Chinese regime's control over the population is because the Chinese regime failed to address the problem in a timely manner after intentionally turning a blind eye to the problem, and afterwards attacking it as a political threat instead of a public health crisis.
  - furyg3 6y ago
    Let’s also not forget that it began there in the first place, and there is a serious probability that this particular disease could have been completely avoided in humans. People have been saying, for years, that the ‘wet markets’ of exotic animals are breeding grounds for inter-species diseases. The Chinese government did not listen to these complaints for many reasons, including the fact that ‘medicinal remedies’ made from exotic animals are a status symbol for upper-class Chinese.
userulluipeste 6y ago
"This has led to a widespread unease and distrust among their voters, and a subsequent weakening of their governmental controls and regulations." Yet, somehow, living in one of such "western" governed places, I don't feel that there is less governmental control than before. To give you two examples, I remember a time when digital fingerprinting of civilians was mandated only in a criminal context, but now one has to be fingerprinted just to get an ID (passport). Not long ago one could make easy anonymous calls (think of whistleblowing or whatnot). Not anymore, as the public phones aren't around any more and since not so long ago getting a cell phone number requires revealing one's identity. These may be anecdotal, but still.

rumanator 6y ago

> China has a firmer grasp on the problem of COVID-19 Between covering up the fact that their death rate was a few orders of magnitude higher and deciding to intentionally leaving out infected but asymptomatic cases from their infection statistics while boasting that new cases occurred due to infected foreigners entering the country , it's patently obvious that the Chinese regime does not and never had a good grasp on the problem. And if that does not convince you, let's not forget that the Chinese regime's talking heads tried to pin the blame of their outbreak on Italy.

vosper 6y ago
> it's patently obvious that the Chinese regime does not and never had a good grasp on the problem. I think they had a good grasp on the problem, but the problem to them was (as it always is for China’s leadership) firstly about maintaining control, and at best secondarily about dealing with Covid.
- rumanator 6y ago
  Becoming aware of the true extent of their mess and having a good grasp on the problem are two entirely different things. Moreover, the only reason why China's covid19 outbreak threatened the Chinese regime's control over the population is because the Chinese regime failed to address the problem in a timely manner after intentionally turning a blind eye to the problem, and afterwards attacking it as a political threat instead of a public health crisis.
- furyg3 6y ago
  Let’s also not forget that it began there in the first place, and there is a serious probability that this particular disease could have been completely avoided in humans. People have been saying, for years, that the ‘wet markets’ of exotic animals are breeding grounds for inter-species diseases. The Chinese government did not listen to these complaints for many reasons, including the fact that ‘medicinal remedies’ made from exotic animals are a status symbol for upper-class Chinese.

userulluipeste 6y ago

"This has led to a widespread unease and distrust among their voters, and a subsequent weakening of their governmental controls and regulations." Yet, somehow, living in one of such "western" governed places, I don't feel that there is less governmental control than before. To give you two examples, I remember a time when digital fingerprinting of civilians was mandated only in a criminal context, but now one has to be fingerprinted just to get an ID (passport). Not long ago one could make easy anonymous calls (think of whistleblowing or whatnot). Not anymore, as the public phones aren't around any more and since not so long ago getting a cell phone number requires revealing one's identity. These may be anecdotal, but still.