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I was on the fence as to whether Gnome 3 looked good or not, and this change drops me in to the "don't want to try it" camp. I don't like Unity either (and I h

by acabal 16y ago

I was on the fence as to whether Gnome 3 looked good or not, and this change drops me in to the "don't want to try it" camp. I don't like Unity either (and I have tried that one)... so now will I have a choice when running Ubuntu? I really hope someone maintains the old Gnome-panel system so that I can somehow graft it into future distro releases. I use Ubuntu on my work laptop. I need to be productive on my work computer, and I just don't have the time or inclination to futz around with drastically changed desktops and unlearn 15 years of muscle memory and comfort level. My computer needs to be familiar and simple to me so that I can spend time building and deploying apps, not trying to remember how to minimize a window or what hotkey is the 'switch workspace' key (since I don't use even them right now).

nickbp 16y ago
You might want to try out one of the other WMs, whether thats KDE or something less well known like xfce or openbox. I've myself been using gnome just about continuously since early 2.x and I may end up switching to something else as well. A nice thing with Linux is there's always a million alternatives, giving you a good chance of finding a close approximation to what you're looking for. Also, something I've found extremely useful at both work and home is the compiz "Grid" plugin, which allows you to set up easy keyboard shortcuts for window placement. I think it can be found in "compiz-fusion-plugins-extra" on bunters. A video of it in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHMKhiZmlV0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHMKhiZmlV0
- trotsky 16y ago
  KDE 4.5+ has really come into its own, I highly suggest trying it out - I've been using it as my desktop for over a year now, and I've never looked back. One not very strong point is the KDE 4 application launcher, I'd suggest using a dock like cairo or you can configure the old gnome like launcher behavior to be default. I'm not sure how kubuntu looks, but fedora 14 and opensuse 11.4 both provide great kde experiences.
  - mickt 16y ago
    Old KDE fan where, moved from KDE to Gnome, then back and using Gnome for about 4 or 5 years now. Last week I tried KDE 4.5.1 that comes with Ubuntu (I do so every now and then to see if I'll move back). After 30 minutes of trying to get Network Manager to start a VPN connection, and Googling for answers and reading the docs, I gave up and started the VPN connection from the command-line. Now, I'm confused, how hard can it be to start a VPN connection? I clicked, I right-clicked, I reapplied the settings. Or it so simple that this long-time user can't figure it out?
    - trotsky 16y ago
      knetworkmanager having a bug doesn't shock me, though my VPN seems fine in fedora 14 / kde 4.5.5. I did once have to start a wireless network from the command line after knm just refused. While not ideal, I'm sure you could run gnome's nm-applet instead - I don't think your vpn issue is indicative of a general kde quality issue, though everyone has their own standards. openSUSE 11.4 will be out on the 10th - it might be worth trying their livecd for a polished kde-centric view. I feel like Canonical commits most of their resources to their gnome build.
      - mickt 16y ago
        I'm thinking of just going back to old friend Debian (which I run on my Desktop). Ubuntu almost seems to be trying to be so friendly to newbies that it just gets in my way.
Kev 16y ago
I'd suggest having a look at XFCE. It's similar enough to Gnome that you probably won't struggle to get used to it. It's also been more stable for me than recent versions of Gnome and as a bonus it's much lighter on system resources.

by acabal 16y ago

nickbp 16y ago

You might want to try out one of the other WMs, whether thats KDE or something less well known like xfce or openbox. I've myself been using gnome just about continuously since early 2.x and I may end up switching to something else as well. A nice thing with Linux is there's always a million alternatives, giving you a good chance of finding a close approximation to what you're looking for. Also, something I've found extremely useful at both work and home is the compiz "Grid" plugin, which allows you to set up easy keyboard shortcuts for window placement. I think it can be found in "compiz-fusion-plugins-extra" on bunters. A video of it in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHMKhiZmlV0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHMKhiZmlV0

trotsky 16y ago
KDE 4.5+ has really come into its own, I highly suggest trying it out - I've been using it as my desktop for over a year now, and I've never looked back. One not very strong point is the KDE 4 application launcher, I'd suggest using a dock like cairo or you can configure the old gnome like launcher behavior to be default. I'm not sure how kubuntu looks, but fedora 14 and opensuse 11.4 both provide great kde experiences.
- mickt 16y ago
  Old KDE fan where, moved from KDE to Gnome, then back and using Gnome for about 4 or 5 years now. Last week I tried KDE 4.5.1 that comes with Ubuntu (I do so every now and then to see if I'll move back). After 30 minutes of trying to get Network Manager to start a VPN connection, and Googling for answers and reading the docs, I gave up and started the VPN connection from the command-line. Now, I'm confused, how hard can it be to start a VPN connection? I clicked, I right-clicked, I reapplied the settings. Or it so simple that this long-time user can't figure it out?
  - trotsky 16y ago
    knetworkmanager having a bug doesn't shock me, though my VPN seems fine in fedora 14 / kde 4.5.5. I did once have to start a wireless network from the command line after knm just refused. While not ideal, I'm sure you could run gnome's nm-applet instead - I don't think your vpn issue is indicative of a general kde quality issue, though everyone has their own standards. openSUSE 11.4 will be out on the 10th - it might be worth trying their livecd for a polished kde-centric view. I feel like Canonical commits most of their resources to their gnome build.
    - mickt 16y ago
      I'm thinking of just going back to old friend Debian (which I run on my Desktop). Ubuntu almost seems to be trying to be so friendly to newbies that it just gets in my way.

Kev 16y ago

I'd suggest having a look at XFCE. It's similar enough to Gnome that you probably won't struggle to get used to it. It's also been more stable for me than recent versions of Gnome and as a bonus it's much lighter on system resources.