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Trump to temporarily suspend all immigration into the US

81 points by sbolt 6y ago

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raincom 6y ago
What exactly does it mean? Right now, US embassies world wide halted visa services. So, they can't process immigrant and non-immigrant visas. USCIS has stopped any in-person interviews at local field offices. That will keep in limbo those who have filed for change of status while being in the States. Are USCIS service centers processing any applications for visa petitions? Trump has made it really difficult in the last three years just by using delay tactics. USCIS field offices are just sitting on applications, not calling for interviews; when they call for interviews, they don't decide on time. Now another Executive Order?
- _bxg1 6y ago
  > What exactly does it mean? As usual when he announces policy over Twitter, nobody knows except him - possibly not even him. We'll find out when he gets around to having someone write up an actual document for him.
- deleted 6y ago
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- cylinder 6y ago
  It's basically just extending the consular closures indefinitely. Before this they were taking appointments from May/June for many of them so there was hope. But now, there's no way he will resume before the elections. Service Centers -- much less clear he can stop these. These immigration benefits arise out of statutes so they would need Congress to stop. But he can use COVID as an excuse to mandate they close to ensure safety.
  - raincom 6y ago
    Just found out that service centers/lockboxes are accepting applications. If these apps don't have any previous biometrics, they may not get any EAD/AP, since ASCs are closed. However, if USCIS has previous biometrics, they will issue EAD/AP cards. It is true that Trump can't stop immigration benefits. He has successfully delayed processing many adjustment of status applications. What can Congress do here? Nothing but IG report.
guitarbill 6y ago
possible dupe of: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22931179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22931179 (earlier, twitter) * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22931230 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22931230 (earlier, nbcnews)
otfc23 6y ago
Open the Country Right Now! You asshole liberals have really fucked up now.
jdkee 6y ago
This will be a terrible economic loss for US universities come this fall.
- drapred7 6y ago
  Wouldn't that just mean allowing more Americans to attend university? I though most people agreed the inflated tuitions were unnecessary for actual learning. EDIT: Wow, the largest ever tuition increase happened this year, a 3.4% average increase. https://research.collegeboard.org/trends/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-published-charges-2018-19-and-2019-20 https://research.collegeboard.org/trends/college-pricing/fig... Here's the kicker: >Part-time faculty and teaching assistants now account for half of instructional staffs at colleges and universities, up from one-third in 1987, the figures show. >During the same period, the number of administrators and professional staff has more than doubled. That’s a rate of increase more than twice as fast as the growth in the number of students. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_4738584 https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_4738584
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  - aaomidi 6y ago
    Do you realize how much money international students inject into the US education and just general US economy as well?
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      It's all fueled by debt, and that debt bubble is popping.
      - aaomidi 6y ago
        Debt to who
        chrisco255 6y ago
dvirsky 6y ago
Some unofficial details on NYT: "...A formal order temporarily barring the provision of new green cards and work visas could come as early as the next few days, according to several people familiar with the plan... Under such an executive order, the Trump administration would no longer approve any applications from foreigners to live and work in the United States for an undetermined period of time, effectively shutting down the legal immigration system..." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/us/politics/trump-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/us/politics/trump-immigra...
- chrisco255 6y ago
  What about student visas?
alexmingoia 6y ago
This is cruel to international families. My wife and I cannot live in the US (I am a citizen) because Trump banned immigration from her country in his previous ban, so she cannot obtain a residency visa. Luckily her country isn’t cruel towards families and allows me to live here. The US also doesn’t allow residence for in-laws (only blood relatives of citizens). Meaning we would have to leave my wife’s mother alone for 5 years until she could become a citizen and finish the application - if we were allowed to move to the US.
- coolspot 6y ago
  Why you feel entitled to an expedited US residency for relative of your wife?
  - alexmingoia 6y ago
    If wanting to live with and care for my family is entitled, then I'm entitled. I do feel entitled to my life, liberty, and peaceful pursuit of my happiness. Why do you feel the need to use violence to control where people live and work? You don't even know me, have no relationship with me, yet you want to control where me and my family live.
    - Smudge 6y ago
      Well said, and I'm sorry you had to deal with such a heartless reply.
      - Splognosticus 6y ago
        It's a shame really. I bet GP would never say something so cruel to OP's face, but somehow when it's just words on a screen folks lose all sense of empathy and civility.
        tartoran 6y ago
        Not only that but OP makes a vague statement and doesn’t know the details of this case. I bet OP is a frantic Trump supporter and is blind to any criticism of Trump. Let’s remind him: The USA is built on immigrants and that’s what made this country successful in the first place. Nearly everyone in this country is an immigrant or a direct descendent of immigrants except for the native Americans who are the only non immigrants in this country. Second, this country would not survive without the work of immigrants or foreign workers. And if those foreign workers would not have a path to citizenship they would go some other place. I work with brilliant Indian IT workers on various visas for work, and if there is no path to citizenship for them then the incentive to work for the US is very small. All of them use their brains, taxes and spend most of their earnings in the US economy. Imagine what blow to the US Economy would be if they all left to some other place... In reality it’s not anti-immigration that is a bigger issue than racism and bigotry
ecdavis 6y ago
I really hope the State Department continues issuing extensions and renewals. I left the US in December 2019. Had I stayed, my non-immigrant visa would have expired in June 2020. In order to continue living in the US I would have had to apply for an extension to that visa or for an entirely new visa. Based on the reporting around this it seems possible that neither of those applications would have been approved and I would have been forced to leave the US in June 2020 at the latest. If you know someone currently on a non-immigrant visa[0] you may want to reach out and make sure they're OK. I personally know a few people who set up their lives in the US with little consideration for what would happen if they lost their visas. I feel for them right now. [0] That is: not a Green Card.
- hibachiru 6y ago
  I'm okay, for now, still 2+ years on my work visa, but I have to say that my stress levels are already super high and this is not helping :( I'm in the middle of a green card process and I guess that's down the toilet for the foreseeable future as well. Oh well...
  - ramrunner0xff 6y ago
    same here. 6 years in the us. j1/h1 working on netsec research. i really want to quit and go back home to europe just to look at the sky or the walls a bit in order to relax. all this stress isn't worth it.
- cylinder 6y ago
  Just FYI -- it's USCIS not State that handles extension filings within the country. And it's the I-94 that controls the time you can stay in the US, not the visa.
  - theshadowmonkey 6y ago
    And your I-94 is automatically extended with your visa extensions. Its your visa extension date that has the precedence.
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adelHBN 6y ago
Travel from Europe, East Asia, Canada and Mexico are virtually dead. So how is this presidential order help? What is its practical impact? Is this just political showmanship for the 2020 election?
- alexmingoia 6y ago
  It’s not a travel ban, it’s a ban on all immigration like his previous “travel” ban towards select countries. It means people like me who married a non-citizen cannot have their partner live in the US.
  - adelHBN 6y ago
    I am so sorry for you. I immigrated to the U.S. when I was a boy, but certainly, remember all the challenges of having my parents and a brother still overseas. And this is your spouse. But again, how does this help us fight the pandemic? It doesn't.
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - cylinder 6y ago
    The existing travel ban has waivers available for spouses of US citizens, although the process is ridiculous and chaotic, and they are not approving many.
    - alexmingoia 6y ago
      Yeah, ~6% have been given waivers [1] for unknown reasons. There is no official waiver process, and no form for one. They are awarded at the full discretion of USCIS after applying for residency, according to unknown criteria. When I called my embassy about this, they said my only option was to apply and spend years waiting and hope to get lucky. So I could apply, spend thousands of dollars, wait years, and only have a 1/20 chance of being awarded a waiver. [0]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-visas-exclusive-idUSKCN1RG30X https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-visas-exc...
nine_zeros 6y ago
The US has folded. This will be the last straw. Chinese companies will have all the bright staff to constantly produce 24/7 new tech and maintain old tech while American companies suffer the abrupt loss of skilled workers, American hospitals lose skilled doctors, American Universities lose academics and American crops go unharvested. China has won and all it took was 4 years of incompetence who played the destruction playbook like a miracle.

81 points by sbolt 6y ago

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What exactly does it mean? Right now, US embassies world wide halted visa services. So, they can't process immigrant and non-immigrant visas. USCIS has stopped any in-person interviews at local field offices. That will keep in limbo those who have filed for change of status while being in the States. Are USCIS service centers processing any applications for visa petitions? Trump has made it really difficult in the last three years just by using delay tactics. USCIS field offices are just sitting on applications, not calling for interviews; when they call for interviews, they don't decide on time. Now another Executive Order?

_bxg1 6y ago
> What exactly does it mean? As usual when he announces policy over Twitter, nobody knows except him - possibly not even him. We'll find out when he gets around to having someone write up an actual document for him.
deleted 6y ago
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cylinder 6y ago
It's basically just extending the consular closures indefinitely. Before this they were taking appointments from May/June for many of them so there was hope. But now, there's no way he will resume before the elections. Service Centers -- much less clear he can stop these. These immigration benefits arise out of statutes so they would need Congress to stop. But he can use COVID as an excuse to mandate they close to ensure safety.
- raincom 6y ago
  Just found out that service centers/lockboxes are accepting applications. If these apps don't have any previous biometrics, they may not get any EAD/AP, since ASCs are closed. However, if USCIS has previous biometrics, they will issue EAD/AP cards. It is true that Trump can't stop immigration benefits. He has successfully delayed processing many adjustment of status applications. What can Congress do here? Nothing but IG report.

guitarbill 6y ago

possible dupe of: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22931179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22931179 (earlier, twitter) * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22931230 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22931230 (earlier, nbcnews)

otfc23 6y ago

Open the Country Right Now! You asshole liberals have really fucked up now.

jdkee 6y ago

This will be a terrible economic loss for US universities come this fall.

drapred7 6y ago
Wouldn't that just mean allowing more Americans to attend university? I though most people agreed the inflated tuitions were unnecessary for actual learning. EDIT: Wow, the largest ever tuition increase happened this year, a 3.4% average increase. https://research.collegeboard.org/trends/college-pricing/figures-tables/average-published-charges-2018-19-and-2019-20 https://research.collegeboard.org/trends/college-pricing/fig... Here's the kicker: >Part-time faculty and teaching assistants now account for half of instructional staffs at colleges and universities, up from one-third in 1987, the figures show. >During the same period, the number of administrators and professional staff has more than doubled. That’s a rate of increase more than twice as fast as the growth in the number of students. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_4738584 https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_4738584
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- aaomidi 6y ago
  Do you realize how much money international students inject into the US education and just general US economy as well?
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    It's all fueled by debt, and that debt bubble is popping.
    - aaomidi 6y ago
      Debt to who
      - chrisco255 6y ago

dvirsky 6y ago

Some unofficial details on NYT: "...A formal order temporarily barring the provision of new green cards and work visas could come as early as the next few days, according to several people familiar with the plan... Under such an executive order, the Trump administration would no longer approve any applications from foreigners to live and work in the United States for an undetermined period of time, effectively shutting down the legal immigration system..." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/us/politics/trump-immigration.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/us/politics/trump-immigra...

chrisco255 6y ago
What about student visas?

alexmingoia 6y ago

This is cruel to international families. My wife and I cannot live in the US (I am a citizen) because Trump banned immigration from her country in his previous ban, so she cannot obtain a residency visa. Luckily her country isn’t cruel towards families and allows me to live here. The US also doesn’t allow residence for in-laws (only blood relatives of citizens). Meaning we would have to leave my wife’s mother alone for 5 years until she could become a citizen and finish the application - if we were allowed to move to the US.

coolspot 6y ago
Why you feel entitled to an expedited US residency for relative of your wife?
- alexmingoia 6y ago
  If wanting to live with and care for my family is entitled, then I'm entitled. I do feel entitled to my life, liberty, and peaceful pursuit of my happiness. Why do you feel the need to use violence to control where people live and work? You don't even know me, have no relationship with me, yet you want to control where me and my family live.
  - Smudge 6y ago
    Well said, and I'm sorry you had to deal with such a heartless reply.
    - Splognosticus 6y ago
      It's a shame really. I bet GP would never say something so cruel to OP's face, but somehow when it's just words on a screen folks lose all sense of empathy and civility.
      - tartoran 6y ago
        Not only that but OP makes a vague statement and doesn’t know the details of this case. I bet OP is a frantic Trump supporter and is blind to any criticism of Trump. Let’s remind him: The USA is built on immigrants and that’s what made this country successful in the first place. Nearly everyone in this country is an immigrant or a direct descendent of immigrants except for the native Americans who are the only non immigrants in this country. Second, this country would not survive without the work of immigrants or foreign workers. And if those foreign workers would not have a path to citizenship they would go some other place. I work with brilliant Indian IT workers on various visas for work, and if there is no path to citizenship for them then the incentive to work for the US is very small. All of them use their brains, taxes and spend most of their earnings in the US economy. Imagine what blow to the US Economy would be if they all left to some other place... In reality it’s not anti-immigration that is a bigger issue than racism and bigotry

ecdavis 6y ago

I really hope the State Department continues issuing extensions and renewals. I left the US in December 2019. Had I stayed, my non-immigrant visa would have expired in June 2020. In order to continue living in the US I would have had to apply for an extension to that visa or for an entirely new visa. Based on the reporting around this it seems possible that neither of those applications would have been approved and I would have been forced to leave the US in June 2020 at the latest. If you know someone currently on a non-immigrant visa[0] you may want to reach out and make sure they're OK. I personally know a few people who set up their lives in the US with little consideration for what would happen if they lost their visas. I feel for them right now. [0] That is: not a Green Card.

hibachiru 6y ago
I'm okay, for now, still 2+ years on my work visa, but I have to say that my stress levels are already super high and this is not helping :( I'm in the middle of a green card process and I guess that's down the toilet for the foreseeable future as well. Oh well...
- ramrunner0xff 6y ago
  same here. 6 years in the us. j1/h1 working on netsec research. i really want to quit and go back home to europe just to look at the sky or the walls a bit in order to relax. all this stress isn't worth it.
cylinder 6y ago
Just FYI -- it's USCIS not State that handles extension filings within the country. And it's the I-94 that controls the time you can stay in the US, not the visa.
- theshadowmonkey 6y ago
  And your I-94 is automatically extended with your visa extensions. Its your visa extension date that has the precedence.
- deleted 6y ago

adelHBN 6y ago

Travel from Europe, East Asia, Canada and Mexico are virtually dead. So how is this presidential order help? What is its practical impact? Is this just political showmanship for the 2020 election?

alexmingoia 6y ago
It’s not a travel ban, it’s a ban on all immigration like his previous “travel” ban towards select countries. It means people like me who married a non-citizen cannot have their partner live in the US.
- adelHBN 6y ago
  I am so sorry for you. I immigrated to the U.S. when I was a boy, but certainly, remember all the challenges of having my parents and a brother still overseas. And this is your spouse. But again, how does this help us fight the pandemic? It doesn't.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- cylinder 6y ago
  The existing travel ban has waivers available for spouses of US citizens, although the process is ridiculous and chaotic, and they are not approving many.
  - alexmingoia 6y ago
    Yeah, ~6% have been given waivers [1] for unknown reasons. There is no official waiver process, and no form for one. They are awarded at the full discretion of USCIS after applying for residency, according to unknown criteria. When I called my embassy about this, they said my only option was to apply and spend years waiting and hope to get lucky. So I could apply, spend thousands of dollars, wait years, and only have a 1/20 chance of being awarded a waiver. [0]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-visas-exclusive-idUSKCN1RG30X https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-visas-exc...

nine_zeros 6y ago

The US has folded. This will be the last straw. Chinese companies will have all the bright staff to constantly produce 24/7 new tech and maintain old tech while American companies suffer the abrupt loss of skilled workers, American hospitals lose skilled doctors, American Universities lose academics and American crops go unharvested. China has won and all it took was 4 years of incompetence who played the destruction playbook like a miracle.