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Of course I’m not. I’m pointing out why looking at the mortality rate of poverty doesn’t support the argument that the economy implications of shelter in place

Of course I’m not. I’m pointing out why looking at the mortality rate of poverty doesn’t support the argument that the economy implications of shelter in place are somehow deadlier than the disease itself. The onus is still on you to make a meaningful argument to support that statement.

0xy 6y ago
It's a prediction based on opinion and data, so I'm not able to support it beyond background references. You're asking me to prove something that hasn't occurred yet. My point is, poverty is deadly, the coronavirus response causes massive unemployment, unemployment causes poverty and so it's pretty obvious that the economic implications have a death rate associated with them that won't shake out for years. In my opinion, it'll be significantly worse. I don't like it when people hand wave away the blight of those in poverty for personal safety. These people have awful outcomes, and they're treated as collateral damage. The media talks about death from poverty all the time, except for now. Why? You cannot pause the economy without dramatic upheavals in industry and community. For example, one particular study found that from the 2008 economic crisis there were nearly 5,000 excess suicides in a single year. Well, this crisis is substantially worse and will last substantially longer. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(14)00118-7/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0...
- debaserab2 6y ago
  > In my opinion, it'll be significantly worse. Ah, so it's an opinion unsupported by facts or evidence. Got it.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    I get the feeling you didn't read the comment, since this appears to be a strawman. I did cite a study, which you didn't acknowledge or refute.
    - debaserab2 6y ago
      The study linked does nothing to directly affirm your statement, which you admitted was an opinion anyways. There's nothing left to discuss.

0xy 6y ago

It's a prediction based on opinion and data, so I'm not able to support it beyond background references. You're asking me to prove something that hasn't occurred yet. My point is, poverty is deadly, the coronavirus response causes massive unemployment, unemployment causes poverty and so it's pretty obvious that the economic implications have a death rate associated with them that won't shake out for years. In my opinion, it'll be significantly worse. I don't like it when people hand wave away the blight of those in poverty for personal safety. These people have awful outcomes, and they're treated as collateral damage. The media talks about death from poverty all the time, except for now. Why? You cannot pause the economy without dramatic upheavals in industry and community. For example, one particular study found that from the 2008 economic crisis there were nearly 5,000 excess suicides in a single year. Well, this crisis is substantially worse and will last substantially longer. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(14)00118-7/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0...

debaserab2 6y ago
> In my opinion, it'll be significantly worse. Ah, so it's an opinion unsupported by facts or evidence. Got it.
- 0xy 6y ago
  I get the feeling you didn't read the comment, since this appears to be a strawman. I did cite a study, which you didn't acknowledge or refute.
  - debaserab2 6y ago
    The study linked does nothing to directly affirm your statement, which you admitted was an opinion anyways. There's nothing left to discuss.