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There's a sizable minority of the younger generation with a sense that the world as is offers them no purpose or worthwhile future, and no control over the inst

There's a sizable minority of the younger generation with a sense that the world as is offers them no purpose or worthwhile future, and no control over the institutions that have guided it to this point. Increasingly large numbers of them seem determined to topple the Apple cart, if only for the opportunity to experience anything else. Certainly, it's self-serving. But with enough momentum, it may end up working.

phs318u 7y ago
> it may end up working Said every revolutionary ever, just before the new tyrants take over* from the old tyrants. * with incredibly few exceptions (before you quote the American revolution at me; and please don't equate trolls with the American revolutionaries).
- crocodiletears 7y ago
  I was referring to their attempt to tip the apple cart. Not create a new world. Nowhere in this thread has anybody come close to proposing this as a net good, or even really what the world would look like after such an acceleration. My comment was strictly observational in nature. I'll grant that I could have done better in clarifying that. However, even in the event that I was attempting to advocate on behalf of an accelerationist mindset, there was no need for you to respond combatively, or condescendingly cut off some weak (albeit common) argument that you've wargamed out in your head. Believe it or not, not everybody's as stupid or predictable as you seem to think they are, and you should ask someone for details before you decide what they think for them.
dmos62 7y ago
In compliment to your point, I think it's important to remember that the "toppling of the cart", doesn't aim, as an express purpose, to put the cart where you want it to be, but rather to destroy the cart. The phenomenon, I argue, is more base than revolution, and it doesn't have a focus on the future (or even a sense of it). It's exclusively about the now. So it's a mistake to evoke revolutions as examples. I called it constructive destruction in my original commnent, but a more accurate expression would be ultimately-maybe-inadvertently-constructive destruction.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
  I did notice a spike in comments on some fora along the lines of 'let it fall apart', where it refers to the current cart I suppose. There is a really strong dissatisfaction with current situation and it has to be addressed or at least channelled.

phs318u 7y ago

> it may end up working Said every revolutionary ever, just before the new tyrants take over* from the old tyrants. * with incredibly few exceptions (before you quote the American revolution at me; and please don't equate trolls with the American revolutionaries).

crocodiletears 7y ago
I was referring to their attempt to tip the apple cart. Not create a new world. Nowhere in this thread has anybody come close to proposing this as a net good, or even really what the world would look like after such an acceleration. My comment was strictly observational in nature. I'll grant that I could have done better in clarifying that. However, even in the event that I was attempting to advocate on behalf of an accelerationist mindset, there was no need for you to respond combatively, or condescendingly cut off some weak (albeit common) argument that you've wargamed out in your head. Believe it or not, not everybody's as stupid or predictable as you seem to think they are, and you should ask someone for details before you decide what they think for them.

dmos62 7y ago

In compliment to your point, I think it's important to remember that the "toppling of the cart", doesn't aim, as an express purpose, to put the cart where you want it to be, but rather to destroy the cart. The phenomenon, I argue, is more base than revolution, and it doesn't have a focus on the future (or even a sense of it). It's exclusively about the now. So it's a mistake to evoke revolutions as examples. I called it constructive destruction in my original commnent, but a more accurate expression would be ultimately-maybe-inadvertently-constructive destruction.

A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
I did notice a spike in comments on some fora along the lines of 'let it fall apart', where it refers to the current cart I suppose. There is a really strong dissatisfaction with current situation and it has to be addressed or at least channelled.