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For those of you cheering this move, imagine it applied to the causes you care about and decide if you still think its a good idea.

elicash 6y ago
Never understood this argument. Let's take a cause I disagree with. I'm pro-equality, but still think Christian Mingle shouldn't be forced to match up same-sex couples. Because I disagree with their values, of course, I'd never use their website. OF COURSE conservative Christians should be allowed to have a website that aligns with their values. Not only don't I think this website should be outlawed -- I also don't think it's a "bad idea" that shouldn't exist. I simply disagree with the values, so I don't belong to it. Moving back to the current situation... I only want to belong to a social network that values science and public health. Why shouldn't I be allowed to be a user of a website that has those same values? You're going to tell me that the kind of website that I want to belong to should be outlawed and not allowed to exist? Or, let's not even go that far... that it's BAD that it exists? Keep in mind, you can have any view you want. This is whether or not Facebook wants to use their social network to help spread events that would endanger the general public. A "keep things closed" event would be treated the same way. (I agree FB is too big and should be cut into multiple pieces. And they shouldn't have been allowed to buy Instagram. But for very different reasons. Mostly I worry about their impact, as well as Google's, on publisher ad revenue.)
- lone_haxx0r 6y ago
  > I only want to belong to a social network that values science and public health. Why shouldn't I be allowed to be a user of a website that has those same values? I think it's a problem of expectations. Some expect Facebook to just be a social network. Others, like you, expect it to be a safe space where unapproved opinions aren't allowed. Neither kind is bad per se, but I don't think most people expected Facebook to be of the latter kind.
  - elicash 6y ago
    I'm rolling my eyes at your "safe space" ridiculousness and bizarre claim that I think unapproved opinions shouldn't be allowed, but putting that aside.... We should both agree that the real problem is monopoly. That if Facebook (and Google btw) weren't so powerful, people would be perfectly cool with the idea that maybe different people can have different values from one another and that maybe different companies could accommodate those different values.
- NullPrefix 6y ago
  >I'm pro-equality Stopped reading right there as that is a big enough indicator that you're sitting on a high horse.
  - elicash 6y ago
    That's unfortunate! If you would have read on, you would have found that I described the other side of a debate as simply having a different set of values, having legitimate views, and that everyone should be respected. I view the term the same way I view "pro-choice" and "pro-life." Both terms frame the sides in favorable light, are how people self-identify, and so I use both of them (even the one that's in a category I don't fall into).
dntbnmpls 6y ago
The same people who ranted about facebook being evil and untrustworthy are now praising and defending zuckerburg and his censorship. It's amazing how agenda drives people's comments. No principles, no values, no honesty. Just agenda.

elicash 6y ago

Never understood this argument. Let's take a cause I disagree with. I'm pro-equality, but still think Christian Mingle shouldn't be forced to match up same-sex couples. Because I disagree with their values, of course, I'd never use their website. OF COURSE conservative Christians should be allowed to have a website that aligns with their values. Not only don't I think this website should be outlawed -- I also don't think it's a "bad idea" that shouldn't exist. I simply disagree with the values, so I don't belong to it. Moving back to the current situation... I only want to belong to a social network that values science and public health. Why shouldn't I be allowed to be a user of a website that has those same values? You're going to tell me that the kind of website that I want to belong to should be outlawed and not allowed to exist? Or, let's not even go that far... that it's BAD that it exists? Keep in mind, you can have any view you want. This is whether or not Facebook wants to use their social network to help spread events that would endanger the general public. A "keep things closed" event would be treated the same way. (I agree FB is too big and should be cut into multiple pieces. And they shouldn't have been allowed to buy Instagram. But for very different reasons. Mostly I worry about their impact, as well as Google's, on publisher ad revenue.)

lone_haxx0r 6y ago
> I only want to belong to a social network that values science and public health. Why shouldn't I be allowed to be a user of a website that has those same values? I think it's a problem of expectations. Some expect Facebook to just be a social network. Others, like you, expect it to be a safe space where unapproved opinions aren't allowed. Neither kind is bad per se, but I don't think most people expected Facebook to be of the latter kind.
- elicash 6y ago
  I'm rolling my eyes at your "safe space" ridiculousness and bizarre claim that I think unapproved opinions shouldn't be allowed, but putting that aside.... We should both agree that the real problem is monopoly. That if Facebook (and Google btw) weren't so powerful, people would be perfectly cool with the idea that maybe different people can have different values from one another and that maybe different companies could accommodate those different values.
NullPrefix 6y ago
>I'm pro-equality Stopped reading right there as that is a big enough indicator that you're sitting on a high horse.
- elicash 6y ago
  That's unfortunate! If you would have read on, you would have found that I described the other side of a debate as simply having a different set of values, having legitimate views, and that everyone should be respected. I view the term the same way I view "pro-choice" and "pro-life." Both terms frame the sides in favorable light, are how people self-identify, and so I use both of them (even the one that's in a category I don't fall into).

dntbnmpls 6y ago

The same people who ranted about facebook being evil and untrustworthy are now praising and defending zuckerburg and his censorship. It's amazing how agenda drives people's comments. No principles, no values, no honesty. Just agenda.