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Sure, like China using its influence over the WHO to mislead about the nature of the outbreak within its borders and exclude Taiwan from the international healt

by wyager 7y ago

Sure, like China using its influence over the WHO to mislead about the nature of the outbreak within its borders and exclude Taiwan from the international health community. I'm more worried about that than some powerless randos who are mad about the massive QALY loss we're currently going through.

aclsid 7y ago
If the first sentence of your response doesn't tell you that it is about a certain brand of politics that is following that narrative, the second part should. Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything, but they are not a member state of the UN and therefore not part of the WHO. Just because they lost the war against Communist China and lost their seat, it does not mean it is alright to smear the WHO just to achieve some sort of international recognition, which in the end feels more like a cheap shot. I don't know about you but the main thing that worries me is the long recovery process from this or getting permanent damage from this stuff if I get sick, because after you get ebola for instance, who's going to care that it started in Africa.
- downerending 7y ago
  > Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything, but they are not a member state of the UN and therefore not part of the WHO. Speaking from the cheap seats, Taiwan is obviously a sovereign country. They'd like to be in the UN. The UN apparently excludes them because of the influence of mainland China. So yes, they are excluded.
  - aclsid 7y ago
    There are areas of Colombia that are a sovereign country because they are controlled by guerrillas. The same goes for Russian controlled areas of the Ukraine and Georgia. What makes them sovereign countries with a right to be in the UN is the amount of recognition they get from their peers. I don't have anything against the Taiwanese, but they are embroiled in a conflict just like the previous regions I described. Until they solve those issues one way or another and gain more international recognition they will not be able to participate in the UN, the Olympics or other places as a country.
    - downerending 7y ago
      Really the only thing Taiwan "lacks" is the approval of China. It's not unlike Macedonia, which "lacks" the approval of Greece (with respect to its name). One can imagine guerilla-controlled areas Columbia to be just like Taiwan, but I won't be travelling there...
- wyager 7y ago
  > Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1243949792985784320?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1243949792985...
  - aclsid 7y ago
    I saw that video and it proves my point. Taiwan is not recognized as an independent country, and the reporter, which is from a Hong Kong network, knows perfectly well that situation and wanted to ask a pointy question, so don't be surprised by the result. The staffer just did not know how to answer that well without getting into political issues since he's just trying to do his job. But if you think this is definitive proof of a conspiracy, then you should check where the financing for the WHO comes from (China is nowhere near the top list), and second China actually ignored some recommendations from the WHO during the initial stage of the outbreak.

by wyager 7y ago

aclsid 7y ago

If the first sentence of your response doesn't tell you that it is about a certain brand of politics that is following that narrative, the second part should. Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything, but they are not a member state of the UN and therefore not part of the WHO. Just because they lost the war against Communist China and lost their seat, it does not mean it is alright to smear the WHO just to achieve some sort of international recognition, which in the end feels more like a cheap shot. I don't know about you but the main thing that worries me is the long recovery process from this or getting permanent damage from this stuff if I get sick, because after you get ebola for instance, who's going to care that it started in Africa.

downerending 7y ago
> Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything, but they are not a member state of the UN and therefore not part of the WHO. Speaking from the cheap seats, Taiwan is obviously a sovereign country. They'd like to be in the UN. The UN apparently excludes them because of the influence of mainland China. So yes, they are excluded.
- aclsid 7y ago
  There are areas of Colombia that are a sovereign country because they are controlled by guerrillas. The same goes for Russian controlled areas of the Ukraine and Georgia. What makes them sovereign countries with a right to be in the UN is the amount of recognition they get from their peers. I don't have anything against the Taiwanese, but they are embroiled in a conflict just like the previous regions I described. Until they solve those issues one way or another and gain more international recognition they will not be able to participate in the UN, the Olympics or other places as a country.
  - downerending 7y ago
    Really the only thing Taiwan "lacks" is the approval of China. It's not unlike Macedonia, which "lacks" the approval of Greece (with respect to its name). One can imagine guerilla-controlled areas Columbia to be just like Taiwan, but I won't be travelling there...
wyager 7y ago
> Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1243949792985784320?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1243949792985...
- aclsid 7y ago
  I saw that video and it proves my point. Taiwan is not recognized as an independent country, and the reporter, which is from a Hong Kong network, knows perfectly well that situation and wanted to ask a pointy question, so don't be surprised by the result. The staffer just did not know how to answer that well without getting into political issues since he's just trying to do his job. But if you think this is definitive proof of a conspiracy, then you should check where the financing for the WHO comes from (China is nowhere near the top list), and second China actually ignored some recommendations from the WHO during the initial stage of the outbreak.