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Some experts argue that "fact checking" sites are a waste of resources. Those who believe the misinformation would not accept the "fact check" as plausible and

Some experts argue that "fact checking" sites are a waste of resources. Those who believe the misinformation would not accept the "fact check" as plausible and those open to questioning the misinformation generally find the truth on their own. Relevant lecture from US Army War College: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUpCiA0WZ5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUpCiA0WZ5k

interestica 7y ago
I think the value sometimes is in having relevant resources to point to when in localized arguments. (If someone is repeating a falsehood, I can direct them to resources that refute it rather than having to do all the searching repeatedly).
- ativzzz 7y ago
  Such arguments are usually emotional and spouting off facts is unlikely to change the other person's stance and instead make them double down harder.
  - coffeecat 7y ago
    I've attempted to engage with people in ideological echo chambers not by citing any specific facts that contradict their beliefs, but by asking them to state their own beliefs using more specific and concrete language. "What exactly is your definition of communism?", "Has Bernie made any specific statements indicating that he supports that policy? If not, what leads you to infer that he does?", etc. The results? No engagement at all.
    - ativzzz 7y ago
      People do not want to be challenged in an echo chamber. Either talk to them (without convincing them of anything) outside the chamber, or walk away.
- sebwi 7y ago
  Agreed, often it's less about the person you are interacting with but about those reading your conversation.
MattGaiser 7y ago
That assumes the truth is relatively easy to unpack. As someone who seriously considered building a fact-checking website, I am sure that I fit reasonably well into the group of people who would question misinformation, but often I can't find the truth without going through reams of government documents or sifting through tweets. There have been plenty of things I have questioned, investigated, given up on investigating as unpacking it was a burden, and thought that it was more likely than not that such a thing was true. I have been wrong in that way many times.
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101404 7y ago
Who fact checks the fact checkers?

interestica 7y ago

I think the value sometimes is in having relevant resources to point to when in localized arguments. (If someone is repeating a falsehood, I can direct them to resources that refute it rather than having to do all the searching repeatedly).

ativzzz 7y ago
Such arguments are usually emotional and spouting off facts is unlikely to change the other person's stance and instead make them double down harder.
- coffeecat 7y ago
  I've attempted to engage with people in ideological echo chambers not by citing any specific facts that contradict their beliefs, but by asking them to state their own beliefs using more specific and concrete language. "What exactly is your definition of communism?", "Has Bernie made any specific statements indicating that he supports that policy? If not, what leads you to infer that he does?", etc. The results? No engagement at all.
  - ativzzz 7y ago
    People do not want to be challenged in an echo chamber. Either talk to them (without convincing them of anything) outside the chamber, or walk away.
sebwi 7y ago
Agreed, often it's less about the person you are interacting with but about those reading your conversation.

MattGaiser 7y ago

That assumes the truth is relatively easy to unpack. As someone who seriously considered building a fact-checking website, I am sure that I fit reasonably well into the group of people who would question misinformation, but often I can't find the truth without going through reams of government documents or sifting through tweets. There have been plenty of things I have questioned, investigated, given up on investigating as unpacking it was a burden, and thought that it was more likely than not that such a thing was true. I have been wrong in that way many times.

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101404 7y ago

Who fact checks the fact checkers?