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"What does the saying say to them?" You said this repeatedly. What is the point in such a question, if not to make the target feel bad for those hypothetical pe
by jaljal 7y ago
"What does the saying say to them?" You said this repeatedly. What is the point in such a question, if not to make the target feel bad for those hypothetical people hearing the saying?
As far as the institutions go, you're not saying anything that anyone here is unaware of. Everyone here is totally familiar with the justifications for those institutions. That is not the point.
The point is that you led off by pulling the heart strings of white people merely for saying they want something for people of their category, when they can look around and see that not only is every other category allowed to say that and want that for people of their category, they actually have institutions that are openly explicitly trying to provide it to them.
The appearance is that you are holding them to a different standard than those other people, which is an indication of bias. That is how you fell into the trap.
It's not a good starting point if your next point is that you're just trying to make everyone equal. How can they trust you?
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoNo, that wasn't my point at all. I was replying to Kaiyou, who couldn't understand how those words could be considered as being associated with the far right. I explained exactly how they could be considered as saying something within the far right. (That it is associated with the far right is shown by who initially said it.) So, when those words are spoken by the far right, can you see a problem? Could someone in complete innocence say the same words, and have no ill intent? Sure. But such words are also said by the far right. Do you hold them as having no ill intent? I've got a problem with the meaning the far right puts on the words. Do you not? Frankly, the thing you are arguing and arguing and arguing about is not something I care very much about. Innocent whites can see the words as being completely benign? Yeah, dog whistles are like that.
- jaljal 7y agoHow does saying "What does the saying say to them?" demonstrate that the words could be considered as being associated with the far right? Please be specific.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoThe piece you are quoting doesn't. I've said a bit more than that, though - in particular, about the origin of the quote. Others on this thread have also said more on the topic. If you want to see it, it's all there in this thread. If you don't want to see it, then there's not much point talking to you. And in fact, whether you're honestly looking or not, I'm done with this conversation. You can take the last word if you want.
- jaljal 7y agoSo then what was the point in repeatedly saying "What does the saying say to them?"