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I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery At the risk of sounding inflammatory, there are pretty clearly s

I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery At the risk of sounding inflammatory, there are pretty clearly some actors who would welcome death and misery upon others if it meant they made some money.

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henriquez 7y ago
To further inflame things, it seems to me that government directing corporations to suppress peoples’ human rights of free speech and assembly is a textbook example of fascism.
AnimalMuppet 7y ago
Or increased their political power. Note well: I am not just talking about one side here.
netsharc 7y ago
Or to stay in power. Since their logic is a running economy -> stock market good -> Their faction gets reelected. I wonder how fearful the kakistocracy are about losing in November, they've been so blatantly saying that black is white for the last 4 years (watch this comment get downvoted because "Black is white!") , and they might have to face the consequences of that.
wyager 7y ago
Sure, like China using its influence over the WHO to mislead about the nature of the outbreak within its borders and exclude Taiwan from the international health community. I'm more worried about that than some powerless randos who are mad about the massive QALY loss we're currently going through.
- aclsid 7y ago
  If the first sentence of your response doesn't tell you that it is about a certain brand of politics that is following that narrative, the second part should. Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything, but they are not a member state of the UN and therefore not part of the WHO. Just because they lost the war against Communist China and lost their seat, it does not mean it is alright to smear the WHO just to achieve some sort of international recognition, which in the end feels more like a cheap shot. I don't know about you but the main thing that worries me is the long recovery process from this or getting permanent damage from this stuff if I get sick, because after you get ebola for instance, who's going to care that it started in Africa.
  - downerending 7y ago
    > Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything, but they are not a member state of the UN and therefore not part of the WHO. Speaking from the cheap seats, Taiwan is obviously a sovereign country. They'd like to be in the UN. The UN apparently excludes them because of the influence of mainland China. So yes, they are excluded.
    - aclsid 7y ago
      There are areas of Colombia that are a sovereign country because they are controlled by guerrillas. The same goes for Russian controlled areas of the Ukraine and Georgia. What makes them sovereign countries with a right to be in the UN is the amount of recognition they get from their peers. I don't have anything against the Taiwanese, but they are embroiled in a conflict just like the previous regions I described. Until they solve those issues one way or another and gain more international recognition they will not be able to participate in the UN, the Olympics or other places as a country.
      - downerending 7y ago
        Really the only thing Taiwan "lacks" is the approval of China. It's not unlike Macedonia, which "lacks" the approval of Greece (with respect to its name). One can imagine guerilla-controlled areas Columbia to be just like Taiwan, but I won't be travelling there...
downerending 7y ago
It's a quibble, but I'm stretching to think of any example of a person welcoming death and misery upon another for the purpose of monetary profit. Generally those who welcome death do it for other reasons, and those motivated by money accept or ignore others' deaths, but do not particularly welcome them.
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henriquez 7y ago

To further inflame things, it seems to me that government directing corporations to suppress peoples’ human rights of free speech and assembly is a textbook example of fascism.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

Or increased their political power. Note well: I am not just talking about one side here.

netsharc 7y ago

Or to stay in power. Since their logic is a running economy -> stock market good -> Their faction gets reelected. I wonder how fearful the kakistocracy are about losing in November, they've been so blatantly saying that black is white for the last 4 years (watch this comment get downvoted because "Black is white!") , and they might have to face the consequences of that.

wyager 7y ago

Sure, like China using its influence over the WHO to mislead about the nature of the outbreak within its borders and exclude Taiwan from the international health community. I'm more worried about that than some powerless randos who are mad about the massive QALY loss we're currently going through.

aclsid 7y ago
If the first sentence of your response doesn't tell you that it is about a certain brand of politics that is following that narrative, the second part should. Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything, but they are not a member state of the UN and therefore not part of the WHO. Just because they lost the war against Communist China and lost their seat, it does not mean it is alright to smear the WHO just to achieve some sort of international recognition, which in the end feels more like a cheap shot. I don't know about you but the main thing that worries me is the long recovery process from this or getting permanent damage from this stuff if I get sick, because after you get ebola for instance, who's going to care that it started in Africa.
- downerending 7y ago
  > Nobody has excluded Taiwan from anything, but they are not a member state of the UN and therefore not part of the WHO. Speaking from the cheap seats, Taiwan is obviously a sovereign country. They'd like to be in the UN. The UN apparently excludes them because of the influence of mainland China. So yes, they are excluded.
  - aclsid 7y ago
    There are areas of Colombia that are a sovereign country because they are controlled by guerrillas. The same goes for Russian controlled areas of the Ukraine and Georgia. What makes them sovereign countries with a right to be in the UN is the amount of recognition they get from their peers. I don't have anything against the Taiwanese, but they are embroiled in a conflict just like the previous regions I described. Until they solve those issues one way or another and gain more international recognition they will not be able to participate in the UN, the Olympics or other places as a country.
    - downerending 7y ago
      Really the only thing Taiwan "lacks" is the approval of China. It's not unlike Macedonia, which "lacks" the approval of Greece (with respect to its name). One can imagine guerilla-controlled areas Columbia to be just like Taiwan, but I won't be travelling there...

downerending 7y ago

It's a quibble, but I'm stretching to think of any example of a person welcoming death and misery upon another for the purpose of monetary profit. Generally those who welcome death do it for other reasons, and those motivated by money accept or ignore others' deaths, but do not particularly welcome them.

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