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> not the government breaking up peaceful and legal assemblies But the government is breaking up peaceful and legal assemblies. While I don't have the article

> not the government breaking up peaceful and legal assemblies But the government is breaking up peaceful and legal assemblies. While I don't have the article handy, there have been arrests over the past few days for refusing to leave. As for "legal" - the First Amendment is very clear on this matter. The federal government (and through the incorporation doctrine, the governments of the several states) is specifically denied the power to prohibit this.

monksy 7y ago
> peaceful and legal assemblies They're not peaceful. They have members sharing the coronavirus within the groups. Additionally, they are putting enforcement agents at risk in dealing with it. You basically have members of the groups shooting other members. (without the direct acknowledgment that it was them and the initial impact)
toomuchtodo 7y ago
The Federal Government is granted these powers through federal statute, the Commerce Clause within the Constitution, and executive order of POTUS. Also: > In addition to serving as medical functions, isolation and quarantine also are “police power” functions, derived from the right of the state to take action affecting individuals for the benefit of society. https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantin...
vvanders 7y ago
How is this different than shouting fire in a crowded theatre?
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  We had a thread about this yesterday actually. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22914333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22914333
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SamWhited 7y ago
> But the government is breaking up peaceful and legal assemblies First let's assume for the sake of argument that you're right: it still doesn't matter, Facebook is not the government. Facebook can tell stupid people to shut up and stop putting innocent people at risk and that is not breaking up "peaceful and legal assemblies" as you put it. Now, going back to the government breaking up "peaceful and legal assemblies" (which these are not), it still doesn't matter: you are not guaranteed every right in the constitution at all times equally. A good example of this is time, place and manner restrictions: the government can't tell you that you're not allowed to advocate for a candidate for office, that would violate the first amendment. However, they are allowed to tell you that you can't advocate for a candidate for office at 1AM with a loudspeaker in a residential neighborhood. That's effectively what these people are doing: there is a pandemic, their actions could hurt a lot of people, so their stupid assembly is not legal. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and nothing I say constitutes legal advice)

monksy 7y ago

> peaceful and legal assemblies They're not peaceful. They have members sharing the coronavirus within the groups. Additionally, they are putting enforcement agents at risk in dealing with it. You basically have members of the groups shooting other members. (without the direct acknowledgment that it was them and the initial impact)

toomuchtodo 7y ago

The Federal Government is granted these powers through federal statute, the Commerce Clause within the Constitution, and executive order of POTUS. Also: > In addition to serving as medical functions, isolation and quarantine also are “police power” functions, derived from the right of the state to take action affecting individuals for the benefit of society. https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantin...

vvanders 7y ago

How is this different than shouting fire in a crowded theatre?

dependenttypes 7y ago
We had a thread about this yesterday actually. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22914333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22914333

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SamWhited 7y ago

> But the government is breaking up peaceful and legal assemblies First let's assume for the sake of argument that you're right: it still doesn't matter, Facebook is not the government. Facebook can tell stupid people to shut up and stop putting innocent people at risk and that is not breaking up "peaceful and legal assemblies" as you put it. Now, going back to the government breaking up "peaceful and legal assemblies" (which these are not), it still doesn't matter: you are not guaranteed every right in the constitution at all times equally. A good example of this is time, place and manner restrictions: the government can't tell you that you're not allowed to advocate for a candidate for office, that would violate the first amendment. However, they are allowed to tell you that you can't advocate for a candidate for office at 1AM with a loudspeaker in a residential neighborhood. That's effectively what these people are doing: there is a pandemic, their actions could hurt a lot of people, so their stupid assembly is not legal. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and nothing I say constitutes legal advice)