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> Both the Minnesota and Pennsylvania gun advocacy sites include the same Google Analytics tracker in their source code I enjoy the irony of an analytics tool

by paulgb 7y ago

> Both the Minnesota and Pennsylvania gun advocacy sites include the same Google Analytics tracker in their source code I enjoy the irony of an analytics tool designed to track users instead being used to reveal something the site owner was trying to hide. There's just something poetic about it.

henriquez 7y ago
It’s not poetic, it’s just fucked. Like laughing at a train wreck because someone you didn’t like was on the train.
- dijit 7y ago
  I don't see the similarity. if we're making parables then it's more like rebels stealing the weapons of the standing army to use against them. Or, more accurately: the FBI using a specific model of camera that only they can buy to spy on people, and that model being known to the survielled.
  - paulryanrogers 7y ago
    Are you suggesting the pro-isolation crowd is actually a centralized entity pretending to be a grass-roots movement?
    - dijit 7y ago
      Apologies, I don’t understand how you took that meaning from what I said. Even in the least charitable interpretation of my statements there is nothing that suggests what you imply. Rebels is a catch-all term for any person or persons rallying against the status quo. It does not imply organisation.
      - paulryanrogers 7y ago
        Thanks for clarifying. My lack of sleep may be affecting my critical thinking.
- drewmol 7y ago
  How recent was the train wreck? ;-)
drak0n1c 7y ago
The irony only exists because of the tragic centralization of web tools. Hopefully, as more people open their own websites and domains, that centralization will lessen.
- KirinDave 7y ago
  Would that have made all the sites not be opened by one actor?
SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
Don’t get it, can one group of people not represent the same interest in two different states? How is this scandal? edit: tons of claims and downvotes, not one hard bit of evidence to show this is not an authentic organization. IDK, maybe it’s not, I don’t actually care, but I thought bullshit baseless claims weren’t supposed to be accepted here?
- paulgb 7y ago
  Have you looked at the sites? They go pretty far out of their way to seem like they are locals speaking independently. Astroturfing is generally scandal-worthy.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    Ok, so your claim is that one org representing two states could not poll and get local comments from actual people in those two states? Edit: can’t reply to claim below but have yet to see any evidence this isn’t an authentic org that represents two states. Why can leadership of this org not be people from these states?
    - untog 7y ago
      > As a true grassroots movement we are comprised of farmers, doctors, mechanics, teachers, hunters, military personnel, and retirees. These are the people that we report to—not a boss 1,000 miles away who doesn’t understand Minnesota and what Minnesotans want. That quote is a sample of what the entire page is like: Minnesota, by Minnesota, for Minnesota. It’s very clear that they’re trying to signal they are something other than what they really are. The article goes into detail on who actually owns the site.
    - Tagbert 7y ago
      The problem isn’t that it is one organization but it is going out of it’s way to hide that. That suggests that it’s motives are not quite what it professes. An honest organization can operate in multiple states but is open about that. What are they trying to hide?
kvnnews 7y ago
This is also indicated at the bottom of the web page in clear text. I don’t think anything is being hidden.
- 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 7y ago
  And it’s probably just some big mega host. I doubt these sites are much more than a wordpress plugin.
- paulgb 7y ago
  > This is also indicated at the bottom of the web page in clear text What is the "this" in this sentence? Looking at the pages that still resolve I don't see anything that implies they are not independent state-based organizations, but it looks like some of them no longer resolve so maybe you saw something I didn't.
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henriquez 7y ago

It’s not poetic, it’s just fucked. Like laughing at a train wreck because someone you didn’t like was on the train.

dijit 7y ago
I don't see the similarity. if we're making parables then it's more like rebels stealing the weapons of the standing army to use against them. Or, more accurately: the FBI using a specific model of camera that only they can buy to spy on people, and that model being known to the survielled.
- paulryanrogers 7y ago
  Are you suggesting the pro-isolation crowd is actually a centralized entity pretending to be a grass-roots movement?
  - dijit 7y ago
    Apologies, I don’t understand how you took that meaning from what I said. Even in the least charitable interpretation of my statements there is nothing that suggests what you imply. Rebels is a catch-all term for any person or persons rallying against the status quo. It does not imply organisation.
    - paulryanrogers 7y ago
      Thanks for clarifying. My lack of sleep may be affecting my critical thinking.
drewmol 7y ago
How recent was the train wreck? ;-)

drak0n1c 7y ago

The irony only exists because of the tragic centralization of web tools. Hopefully, as more people open their own websites and domains, that centralization will lessen.

KirinDave 7y ago
Would that have made all the sites not be opened by one actor?

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago

Don’t get it, can one group of people not represent the same interest in two different states? How is this scandal? edit: tons of claims and downvotes, not one hard bit of evidence to show this is not an authentic organization. IDK, maybe it’s not, I don’t actually care, but I thought bullshit baseless claims weren’t supposed to be accepted here?

paulgb 7y ago
Have you looked at the sites? They go pretty far out of their way to seem like they are locals speaking independently. Astroturfing is generally scandal-worthy.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  Ok, so your claim is that one org representing two states could not poll and get local comments from actual people in those two states? Edit: can’t reply to claim below but have yet to see any evidence this isn’t an authentic org that represents two states. Why can leadership of this org not be people from these states?
  - untog 7y ago
    > As a true grassroots movement we are comprised of farmers, doctors, mechanics, teachers, hunters, military personnel, and retirees. These are the people that we report to—not a boss 1,000 miles away who doesn’t understand Minnesota and what Minnesotans want. That quote is a sample of what the entire page is like: Minnesota, by Minnesota, for Minnesota. It’s very clear that they’re trying to signal they are something other than what they really are. The article goes into detail on who actually owns the site.
  - Tagbert 7y ago
    The problem isn’t that it is one organization but it is going out of it’s way to hide that. That suggests that it’s motives are not quite what it professes. An honest organization can operate in multiple states but is open about that. What are they trying to hide?

kvnnews 7y ago

This is also indicated at the bottom of the web page in clear text. I don’t think anything is being hidden.

3fe9a03ccd14ca5 7y ago
And it’s probably just some big mega host. I doubt these sites are much more than a wordpress plugin.
paulgb 7y ago
> This is also indicated at the bottom of the web page in clear text What is the "this" in this sentence? Looking at the pages that still resolve I don't see anything that implies they are not independent state-based organizations, but it looks like some of them no longer resolve so maybe you saw something I didn't.

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