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The same happened all over europe. European countries seizing equipment in transit toward other european countries. Even France did it (despite Macron's insista

by cm2187 7y ago

The same happened all over europe. European countries seizing equipment in transit toward other european countries. Even France did it (despite Macron's insistance on European cooperation).

ilikehurdles 7y ago
Just to point out a distinction, this more similar to the EU as an entity seizing shipments headed to Germany or France rather than another country within Europe taking them.
Yoric 7y ago
To clarify: the shipment for Sweden was eventually released by France. This was clearly a snafu, but it was eventually resolved.
- cm2187 7y ago
  Only half from what I read [1] [1] https://www.lyonmag.com/article/106690/quatre-millions-de-masques-destines-a-l-8217-espagne-et-l-8217-italie-requisitionnes-a-lyon https://www.lyonmag.com/article/106690/quatre-millions-de-ma...
  - Yoric 7y ago
    More details here [1]. 4 million masks from Sweden (although newspapers had initially reported they were for Sweden) were seized while stored in France. This includes 1 million that were shipped towards France, 1 million towards Switzerland, 2 millions towards Italy and Spain. After much diplomacy, 2 millions were released. My guess is that these are the masks meant for Italy and Spain (part of the EU) and that the masks shipped outside of the EU (Switzerland) were requisitioned. [1] https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2020/04/03/la-france-a-t-elle-intercepte-des-masques-a-destination-de-la-suede_1784053 https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2020/04/03/la-france-a-t...
KarlKemp 7y ago
That's certainly not ideal, but still completely different. Many countries have understandably banned/slowed exporting these supplies. Some of those restrictions certainly went too far: Canada, for example, depends on US suppliers for some materials, and cutting them off completely is going to hurt them rather badly while, due to size differences, not being all that significant for the US. The same is true for some European countries. Sometimes country A depends on B for X, and B depends on A for Y. The first or second most important region for ventilator manufacturing, for example, happens to be... northern Italy! What the Federal Government in the US is doing is something different altogether. They're confiscating material within individual states. It's not even clear why they have jurisdiction. They seem to sometimes argue from a default assumption of shipments being destined for the black market, and otherwise simply rely on raw power, FBI badges, and ill-defined emergency powers.

by cm2187 7y ago

The same happened all over europe. European countries seizing equipment in transit toward other european countries. Even France did it (despite Macron's insistance on European cooperation).

ilikehurdles 7y ago

Just to point out a distinction, this more similar to the EU as an entity seizing shipments headed to Germany or France rather than another country within Europe taking them.

Yoric 7y ago

To clarify: the shipment for Sweden was eventually released by France. This was clearly a snafu, but it was eventually resolved.

cm2187 7y ago
Only half from what I read [1] [1] https://www.lyonmag.com/article/106690/quatre-millions-de-masques-destines-a-l-8217-espagne-et-l-8217-italie-requisitionnes-a-lyon https://www.lyonmag.com/article/106690/quatre-millions-de-ma...
- Yoric 7y ago
  More details here [1]. 4 million masks from Sweden (although newspapers had initially reported they were for Sweden) were seized while stored in France. This includes 1 million that were shipped towards France, 1 million towards Switzerland, 2 millions towards Italy and Spain. After much diplomacy, 2 millions were released. My guess is that these are the masks meant for Italy and Spain (part of the EU) and that the masks shipped outside of the EU (Switzerland) were requisitioned. [1] https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2020/04/03/la-france-a-t-elle-intercepte-des-masques-a-destination-de-la-suede_1784053 https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2020/04/03/la-france-a-t...

KarlKemp 7y ago

That's certainly not ideal, but still completely different. Many countries have understandably banned/slowed exporting these supplies. Some of those restrictions certainly went too far: Canada, for example, depends on US suppliers for some materials, and cutting them off completely is going to hurt them rather badly while, due to size differences, not being all that significant for the US. The same is true for some European countries. Sometimes country A depends on B for X, and B depends on A for Y. The first or second most important region for ventilator manufacturing, for example, happens to be... northern Italy! What the Federal Government in the US is doing is something different altogether. They're confiscating material within individual states. It's not even clear why they have jurisdiction. They seem to sometimes argue from a default assumption of shipments being destined for the black market, and otherwise simply rely on raw power, FBI badges, and ill-defined emergency powers.