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> "Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in?" I feel like thats a minority opinion. The weather is terrible, the food is terrible, service at restaura

> "Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in?" I feel like thats a minority opinion. The weather is terrible, the food is terrible, service at restaurants (or pretty much service in general) is terrible. A huge portion of the city shuts down at night. Where NYC is a city that doesn't sleep, Seattle sleeps. There are drug needles in the streets, and I routinely see homeless people defecating on sidewalks. I even saw a bus stop turned into a homeless person's 'house'. The only thing I see that Seattle has going for it is low taxes.

BurningFrog 7y ago
> Where NYC is a city that doesn't sleep, Seattle sleeps Are there any other US cities that don't sleep?
- milkytron 7y ago
  I'd argue Las Vegas.
  - jaywalk 7y ago
    NYC bars close at 4am. Las Vegas bars don't close. I don't think there's much of an argument, really.
  - BurningFrog 7y ago
    Agreed. So two cities then?
_hardwaregeek 7y ago
I'm a native New Yorker with all the chauvinism that comes with it, but I didn't find Seattle that bad! The weather is no worse than New York's brutal humidity in the summer. The food isn't that bad. Sure the Asian food is thoroughly mediocre compared to New York's, but that's mostly cause New York has great Asian food. The seafood is wonderful too. Service wasn't that bad either—I suspect that's very subjective. Sure, Seattle does shut down at night but how many cities realistically have an all night culture? Even New York's "city that never sleeps" is super exaggerated. There's only a handful of places that stay open past 2-3 am (Gammeeok, Veselka, Coppelia, Great NY Noodletown, Wonjo if you want a few). The homeless does seem to be a problem, albeit I'd say the homeless in Seattle are a little less grungy (heh) then New York's.
- joyj2nd 7y ago
  "New York's brutal humidity in the summer. " Dude, either I have been away too long from NYC or you have not lived in hot humid places.
  - _hardwaregeek 7y ago
    New York isn't as bad as say, Houston or SE Asia, but the subway platforms can get pretty bad: https://ny.curbed.com/2018/8/10/17674900/nyc-subway-summer-heat-temperatures https://ny.curbed.com/2018/8/10/17674900/nyc-subway-summer-h... Compare this to Seattle where I could wear a sweater in August and I'd say it's brutal.
    - autokad 7y ago
      > "Compare this to Seattle where I could wear a sweater in August and I'd say it's brutal." That just means New York has a summer time. I never found New York very humid, but Seattle is more humid than New York.
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ahelwer 7y ago
* World-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking less than an hour's drive from downtown * I moved here from Canada, the weather really isn't that bad; it's been a beautiful spring here while all my Canadian friends are still dealing with snow * Seattle has a huge number of sakura and so the city has beautiful pink cherry blossom clouds everywhere for the entire month of April * The entire environment is so incredibly lush & green; it's called the Emerald City for a reason! * The food is quite good, actually It's funny that the thing you think Seattle has going for it - low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints.
- zachthewf 7y ago
  The uniquely differentiating thing in Seattle is the geography (as you say). If you don't care about having nearby skiing and mountaineering (and more but you get the idea), you can do better elsewhere.
- burrows 7y ago
  > It's funny that the thing you think Seattle has going for it - low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints. We should reward non-productive people with other people's money? You don't give the rat his meal until he completes the maze.
  - ahelwer 7y ago
    Even if you want to analyze it from a psychopathic economics perspective, it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base. Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets from so many of us software engineers moving to the area. Or you can view people experiencing homelessness as humans inherently worthy of dignity. No matter which way you view it though, your approach of letting them die in the streets is the wrong one.
    - 7y ago
tjr225 7y ago
Yep. It's totally terrible. Possibly even the worst. Don't move there- and if you are there, please leave!
WalterBright 7y ago
> The only thing I see that Seattle has going for it is low taxes. The Seattle City Council is tirelessly working to fix that.
egypturnash 7y ago
God yes, I left there for my hometown a year ago and it's so much better. I have sunlight again, I live in a 3-bedroom house in the middle of town that I pay 2/3 of what I paid for a decaying 2br in the U, there's all kinds of colorful wildlife around, there's a thriving arts scene because people who are not making big IT money can actually afford to live there. And homelessness is much more under control, Seattle was insane on that front. I miss legal weed, but I sure don't miss much of anything else in Seattle.

BurningFrog 7y ago

> Where NYC is a city that doesn't sleep, Seattle sleeps Are there any other US cities that don't sleep?

milkytron 7y ago
I'd argue Las Vegas.
- jaywalk 7y ago
  NYC bars close at 4am. Las Vegas bars don't close. I don't think there's much of an argument, really.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  Agreed. So two cities then?

_hardwaregeek 7y ago

I'm a native New Yorker with all the chauvinism that comes with it, but I didn't find Seattle that bad! The weather is no worse than New York's brutal humidity in the summer. The food isn't that bad. Sure the Asian food is thoroughly mediocre compared to New York's, but that's mostly cause New York has great Asian food. The seafood is wonderful too. Service wasn't that bad either—I suspect that's very subjective. Sure, Seattle does shut down at night but how many cities realistically have an all night culture? Even New York's "city that never sleeps" is super exaggerated. There's only a handful of places that stay open past 2-3 am (Gammeeok, Veselka, Coppelia, Great NY Noodletown, Wonjo if you want a few). The homeless does seem to be a problem, albeit I'd say the homeless in Seattle are a little less grungy (heh) then New York's.

joyj2nd 7y ago
"New York's brutal humidity in the summer. " Dude, either I have been away too long from NYC or you have not lived in hot humid places.
- _hardwaregeek 7y ago
  New York isn't as bad as say, Houston or SE Asia, but the subway platforms can get pretty bad: https://ny.curbed.com/2018/8/10/17674900/nyc-subway-summer-heat-temperatures https://ny.curbed.com/2018/8/10/17674900/nyc-subway-summer-h... Compare this to Seattle where I could wear a sweater in August and I'd say it's brutal.
  - autokad 7y ago
    > "Compare this to Seattle where I could wear a sweater in August and I'd say it's brutal." That just means New York has a summer time. I never found New York very humid, but Seattle is more humid than New York.
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ahelwer 7y ago

* World-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking less than an hour's drive from downtown * I moved here from Canada, the weather really isn't that bad; it's been a beautiful spring here while all my Canadian friends are still dealing with snow * Seattle has a huge number of sakura and so the city has beautiful pink cherry blossom clouds everywhere for the entire month of April * The entire environment is so incredibly lush & green; it's called the Emerald City for a reason! * The food is quite good, actually It's funny that the thing you think Seattle has going for it - low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints.

zachthewf 7y ago
The uniquely differentiating thing in Seattle is the geography (as you say). If you don't care about having nearby skiing and mountaineering (and more but you get the idea), you can do better elsewhere.
burrows 7y ago
> It's funny that the thing you think Seattle has going for it - low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints. We should reward non-productive people with other people's money? You don't give the rat his meal until he completes the maze.
- ahelwer 7y ago
  Even if you want to analyze it from a psychopathic economics perspective, it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base. Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets from so many of us software engineers moving to the area. Or you can view people experiencing homelessness as humans inherently worthy of dignity. No matter which way you view it though, your approach of letting them die in the streets is the wrong one.
  - 7y ago

tjr225 7y ago

Yep. It's totally terrible. Possibly even the worst. Don't move there- and if you are there, please leave!

WalterBright 7y ago

> The only thing I see that Seattle has going for it is low taxes. The Seattle City Council is tirelessly working to fix that.

egypturnash 7y ago

God yes, I left there for my hometown a year ago and it's so much better. I have sunlight again, I live in a 3-bedroom house in the middle of town that I pay 2/3 of what I paid for a decaying 2br in the U, there's all kinds of colorful wildlife around, there's a thriving arts scene because people who are not making big IT money can actually afford to live there. And homelessness is much more under control, Seattle was insane on that front. I miss legal weed, but I sure don't miss much of anything else in Seattle.