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The angry mobs is also 110% predictable and it's an clear indictment against the competency of the state that it so far have not been prepared to deal with what

The angry mobs is also 110% predictable and it's an clear indictment against the competency of the state that it so far have not been prepared to deal with what is an normal reaction to emergency powers being imposed with little warning/debate. ] My argument is not that the measures are wrong but that the messaging is indicative of an state that have lost it's willingness/ability to seek consensus, which can develop into a problem that can make the corona pandemic hitting the semi-affluent retiree communities look like an minor event in an interesting decade. While the measures might be fully correct(mostly i agree with them) "the shut up and listen to your betters" mentality/rhetoric is only going to make the group of people fed up with the way they have been ignored for decades go even more rogue as they gather more and more "evidence" that their rights are being actively trampled on and become more willing to "fight the power!!" regardless of the "collateral damage" for doing so.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
I get it - 'the state' is at fault in every case, either by doing too much or too little. Whatever.
notacoward 6y ago
> state that have lost it's willingness/ability to seek consensus They seek consensus. The consensus this time just happened to be different than your personal opinion. That's an indictment against egotism, not against government.
- Stranger43 6y ago
  where are the transcript of adversarial hearings and the ratified constitutional amendment. When you cant even get the head of state to fully endorse the consensus and face major dissent then what basis have we to claim it was an consensus to begin with. The problem is of cause that the panic induced rush to do something let to an consensus without quorum. And while the rush might have been justified it needs validation by an actual quorate consensus on an near daily basis as emergency decisions to suspect rights have an lifetime of days not months. Lockdown is after all also how authoritarian states typically respond to political unrest, so we need to keep being vigilant that they only exists for the purpose of spreading and actively expanding epidemic.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

I get it - 'the state' is at fault in every case, either by doing too much or too little. Whatever.

notacoward 6y ago

> state that have lost it's willingness/ability to seek consensus They seek consensus. The consensus this time just happened to be different than your personal opinion. That's an indictment against egotism, not against government.

Stranger43 6y ago
where are the transcript of adversarial hearings and the ratified constitutional amendment. When you cant even get the head of state to fully endorse the consensus and face major dissent then what basis have we to claim it was an consensus to begin with. The problem is of cause that the panic induced rush to do something let to an consensus without quorum. And while the rush might have been justified it needs validation by an actual quorate consensus on an near daily basis as emergency decisions to suspect rights have an lifetime of days not months. Lockdown is after all also how authoritarian states typically respond to political unrest, so we need to keep being vigilant that they only exists for the purpose of spreading and actively expanding epidemic.