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> ("fourteen words" etc.) This is signaling through lingo (keywords), very different from this article, yet also worth studying during this lockdown. If I sim

by 1996 7y ago

> ("fourteen words" etc.) This is signaling through lingo (keywords), very different from this article, yet also worth studying during this lockdown. If I simply replied "88 bro", the average reader may not click, and think I was just saying I was born in 1988, like you, and we are maybe "birth year brothers". Yet to the initiated, it would signal that I have some very special political ideas! Once you have started learning that, you will see custom license plates very differently! As hackers, we should learn to decode such telltales, to know who may mean us harm. Here's another one that may look totally innocent: blood type tatooed 8 inches above the elbow.

hawkice 7y ago
Strange tattoo example (and Google-able). Boggles my mind why someone would want to identify so strongly with Nazis, but obviously I strongly agree that we should receive those signals. What a bunch of idiots.
- 1996 7y ago
  This is exactly why we need to learn these signals - to recognize people who so strongly want to identify, with something that would seem strange or benine to the uninitiated. About a celtic cross and 1488 written below, someone in this thread said they can't "tell that much about a person based on an accessory." I believe it is a grave mistake to ignore such extremely strong signals, especially the person seems aggressive or inhebriated.
  - monocasa 7y ago
    That person is also defending the 14 words, saying "it's ok to be white", and throwing around phrases like "white genocide". I'm pretty sure they're just a straight up white nationalist.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      Or a troll, since they're being purposefully disingenuous. It doesn't really matter either way, though.
      - hawkice 7y ago
        There might be an important social good in treating Nazis and trolls pretending to be Nazis the same - fairness, at the very least, and a desperately needed bulwark against people only pretending to be pretending to be odious.
  - tomhoward 7y ago
    > This is exactly why we need to learn these signals Or, just completely ignore them. Such people and their ideas only become important if we pay them the attention they so desperately crave.
baud147258 7y ago
I get the 88 thing, but not the blood type tatooed 8 inches above the elbow, care to explain?
- michaelt 7y ago
  "SS blood group tattoos (German: Blutgruppentätowierung) were worn by members of the Waffen-SS in Nazi Germany during World War II to identify the individual's blood type. [...] It was a small black ink tattoo located on the underside of the left arm, [...] placed roughly 20 cm (8 inches) above the elbow." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_blood_group_tattoo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_blood_group_tattoo I have no idea whether it's popular with modern neo-nazis.
  - baud147258 7y ago
    ah, thank you. That clears that up. Though tattooing your blood type on your skin seems a good idea.
ulucs 7y ago
All this dogwhistling stuff is fun and games until you start to put innocent people under fire for dogwhistling. If more people start reading Nazi propaganda just to avoid dogwhistling, you will have created more enemies as a second order effect of your actions. A better approach would be to fill the whistles with noise, so they lose their use for the people trying to use them to identify allies. There's a reason why the phrase "normies ruin everything" is so common
- monocasa 7y ago
  How many people do you know who aren't white nationalists have gotten a 1488 tattoo? The whole point of these signals is that they seem innocuous, but practically no one is going to signal them in other contexts. So you have the vague auspices of plausible deniability when pushed, but nearly 100% specificity too.
  - ulucs 7y ago
    You are defending the Motte here, while someone on this thread is being called a white supremacist for defending the phrase "It's okay to be white". Your example is bad anyway, because 1488 does not have any clear alternative meaning. Take the "okay" sign for instance. It has nowhere near 100% specificity and is basically useless for declaring their alignment. It's a common hand gesture for god's sake. Yet the whole thing was made to be a huge deal as it "revealed" many prominent people were actually secretly white supremacists. And I think the actual motive lies here: making the opposition make an ass out of themselves and causing the maximum possible collateral damage, without actually doing anything. The stronger you react to innocuous things, the more reasonable the other side looks. I mean, who would want to be labeled a X supremacist just because they think it's okay to be X? By stooping down to /pol/'s level just to fight against them, you lose the reasonable people from your side.
    - monocasa 7y ago
      > while someone on this thread is being called a white supremacist for defending the phrase "It's okay to be white". They're throwing around terms like "white genocide", and saying that they wouldn't judge people who wear 1488 (just so we're clear, the 88 part means heil hitler). They're either a white supremacist, or a troll just pretending to be one. You're not making a good case for the lack of specificity. Going to your OK sign, obviously ok signs are fine in the general sense, but if someone is on a rant about how immigrants are ruining the country, then throws up an ok sign, it's explicitly a white supremacist calling card. It's all about context.

by 1996 7y ago

hawkice 7y ago

Strange tattoo example (and Google-able). Boggles my mind why someone would want to identify so strongly with Nazis, but obviously I strongly agree that we should receive those signals. What a bunch of idiots.

1996 7y ago
This is exactly why we need to learn these signals - to recognize people who so strongly want to identify, with something that would seem strange or benine to the uninitiated. About a celtic cross and 1488 written below, someone in this thread said they can't "tell that much about a person based on an accessory." I believe it is a grave mistake to ignore such extremely strong signals, especially the person seems aggressive or inhebriated.
- monocasa 7y ago
  That person is also defending the 14 words, saying "it's ok to be white", and throwing around phrases like "white genocide". I'm pretty sure they're just a straight up white nationalist.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Or a troll, since they're being purposefully disingenuous. It doesn't really matter either way, though.
    - hawkice 7y ago
      There might be an important social good in treating Nazis and trolls pretending to be Nazis the same - fairness, at the very least, and a desperately needed bulwark against people only pretending to be pretending to be odious.
- tomhoward 7y ago
  > This is exactly why we need to learn these signals Or, just completely ignore them. Such people and their ideas only become important if we pay them the attention they so desperately crave.

baud147258 7y ago

I get the 88 thing, but not the blood type tatooed 8 inches above the elbow, care to explain?

michaelt 7y ago
"SS blood group tattoos (German: Blutgruppentätowierung) were worn by members of the Waffen-SS in Nazi Germany during World War II to identify the individual's blood type. [...] It was a small black ink tattoo located on the underside of the left arm, [...] placed roughly 20 cm (8 inches) above the elbow." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_blood_group_tattoo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_blood_group_tattoo I have no idea whether it's popular with modern neo-nazis.
- baud147258 7y ago
  ah, thank you. That clears that up. Though tattooing your blood type on your skin seems a good idea.

ulucs 7y ago

All this dogwhistling stuff is fun and games until you start to put innocent people under fire for dogwhistling. If more people start reading Nazi propaganda just to avoid dogwhistling, you will have created more enemies as a second order effect of your actions. A better approach would be to fill the whistles with noise, so they lose their use for the people trying to use them to identify allies. There's a reason why the phrase "normies ruin everything" is so common

monocasa 7y ago
How many people do you know who aren't white nationalists have gotten a 1488 tattoo? The whole point of these signals is that they seem innocuous, but practically no one is going to signal them in other contexts. So you have the vague auspices of plausible deniability when pushed, but nearly 100% specificity too.
- ulucs 7y ago
  You are defending the Motte here, while someone on this thread is being called a white supremacist for defending the phrase "It's okay to be white". Your example is bad anyway, because 1488 does not have any clear alternative meaning. Take the "okay" sign for instance. It has nowhere near 100% specificity and is basically useless for declaring their alignment. It's a common hand gesture for god's sake. Yet the whole thing was made to be a huge deal as it "revealed" many prominent people were actually secretly white supremacists. And I think the actual motive lies here: making the opposition make an ass out of themselves and causing the maximum possible collateral damage, without actually doing anything. The stronger you react to innocuous things, the more reasonable the other side looks. I mean, who would want to be labeled a X supremacist just because they think it's okay to be X? By stooping down to /pol/'s level just to fight against them, you lose the reasonable people from your side.
  - monocasa 7y ago
    > while someone on this thread is being called a white supremacist for defending the phrase "It's okay to be white". They're throwing around terms like "white genocide", and saying that they wouldn't judge people who wear 1488 (just so we're clear, the 88 part means heil hitler). They're either a white supremacist, or a troll just pretending to be one. You're not making a good case for the lack of specificity. Going to your OK sign, obviously ok signs are fine in the general sense, but if someone is on a rant about how immigrants are ruining the country, then throws up an ok sign, it's explicitly a white supremacist calling card. It's all about context.