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PHP + ...SVN? Gotta say, they deserve each other.

there 16y ago
and OpenCOBOL uses CVS http://www.opencobol.org/ http://www.opencobol.org/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/develop http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/develop) maybe a language older than that still uses RCS
- barake 16y ago
  The ERP where I work wraps RCS with a bunch of scripts. It's used for source control (of course) but also schema migrations, source generation, and a million other things I've checked files out that were last modified before I was born.
abredow 16y ago
Because they both have widespread adoption?
- burgerbrain 16y ago
  Because both are commonly perceived as a step backwards from the current state of the art, but more importantly because it's good sport to make cheap jabs at both of them :P
bluesnowmonkey 16y ago
You know, comments like that disparage by implication anyone who finds value in PHP or SVN. That's a big chunk of the development community. It tears people apart rather than bringing them together. Maybe you should redirect your energy from snark and criticism toward something more constructive.
- burgerbrain 16y ago
  You can simultaneously find value in something, and have a sense of humour about that something's shortcomings. Learning to laugh at ourselves is probably the greatest thing humanity could do to further peace and happiness.
  - bluesnowmonkey 16y ago
    That's a fair point, when it applies. But I perceive this joke as coming more often from a sense of superiority and an emotionally ill-conceived attempt to improve others by insulting them.
    - burgerbrain 16y ago
      Or perhaps it comes out of pent up frustration at having to use them myself in work environments ;)
- jrockway 16y ago
  You know, comments like that disparage by implication anyone who finds value in PHP or SVN. Maybe if we disparage them enough they'll switch to a real programming language and version control tool.
  - jarin 16y ago
    PHP developers can probably take comfort in the fact that much like Java, Perl, C, Snooki, and others, even though PHP is long past its "sexy" stage, it's well into its "many billion-dollar companies are built on this" stage. SVN users, well, they probably just don't know any better. :)
  - nir 16y ago
    If "real programming language" advocates spent more time creating equivalient/better alternatives to projects like Drupal or Wordpress in their preferred environments, they'd advance their goals much more than any HN/Proggit comment could.
  - statictype 16y ago
    Real programming language as in a language that powers a large chunk of the most visited web sites on the internet? I don't do any PHP myself and my few forays into it didn't leave me impressed but I don't see how you can disparage it as not a "real language".
  - X-Istence 16y ago
    Why is PHP not a "real" programming language? Why is subversion not a "real" version control tool? Yes, I've programmed in PHP and know it has some downsides, and that it has some big warts that are ugly, but it is a real programming language. Real projects are built with PHP. Now I understand the frustration with Subversion, but it still is a version control system that is used in the real world. Would I love it if everyone decided to move away from SVN and onto something more capable like Git or Mercurial, yes, but that doesn't mean we have to belittle people who are using those tools.
    - japherwocky 16y ago
- bonch 16y ago
  Oh, geez. Lighten up.

there 16y ago

and OpenCOBOL uses CVS http://www.opencobol.org/ http://www.opencobol.org/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/develop http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/develop) maybe a language older than that still uses RCS

barake 16y ago
The ERP where I work wraps RCS with a bunch of scripts. It's used for source control (of course) but also schema migrations, source generation, and a million other things I've checked files out that were last modified before I was born.

abredow 16y ago

Because they both have widespread adoption?

burgerbrain 16y ago
Because both are commonly perceived as a step backwards from the current state of the art, but more importantly because it's good sport to make cheap jabs at both of them :P

bluesnowmonkey 16y ago

You know, comments like that disparage by implication anyone who finds value in PHP or SVN. That's a big chunk of the development community. It tears people apart rather than bringing them together. Maybe you should redirect your energy from snark and criticism toward something more constructive.

burgerbrain 16y ago
You can simultaneously find value in something, and have a sense of humour about that something's shortcomings. Learning to laugh at ourselves is probably the greatest thing humanity could do to further peace and happiness.
- bluesnowmonkey 16y ago
  That's a fair point, when it applies. But I perceive this joke as coming more often from a sense of superiority and an emotionally ill-conceived attempt to improve others by insulting them.
  - burgerbrain 16y ago
    Or perhaps it comes out of pent up frustration at having to use them myself in work environments ;)
jrockway 16y ago
You know, comments like that disparage by implication anyone who finds value in PHP or SVN. Maybe if we disparage them enough they'll switch to a real programming language and version control tool.
- jarin 16y ago
  PHP developers can probably take comfort in the fact that much like Java, Perl, C, Snooki, and others, even though PHP is long past its "sexy" stage, it's well into its "many billion-dollar companies are built on this" stage. SVN users, well, they probably just don't know any better. :)
- nir 16y ago
  If "real programming language" advocates spent more time creating equivalient/better alternatives to projects like Drupal or Wordpress in their preferred environments, they'd advance their goals much more than any HN/Proggit comment could.
- statictype 16y ago
  Real programming language as in a language that powers a large chunk of the most visited web sites on the internet? I don't do any PHP myself and my few forays into it didn't leave me impressed but I don't see how you can disparage it as not a "real language".
- X-Istence 16y ago
  Why is PHP not a "real" programming language? Why is subversion not a "real" version control tool? Yes, I've programmed in PHP and know it has some downsides, and that it has some big warts that are ugly, but it is a real programming language. Real projects are built with PHP. Now I understand the frustration with Subversion, but it still is a version control system that is used in the real world. Would I love it if everyone decided to move away from SVN and onto something more capable like Git or Mercurial, yes, but that doesn't mean we have to belittle people who are using those tools.
  - japherwocky 16y ago
bonch 16y ago
Oh, geez. Lighten up.