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The author seems to assume that Apple is either unaware of the contradiction or aware of it with no plan to change. In other words, that the management of Apple

The author seems to assume that Apple is either unaware of the contradiction or aware of it with no plan to change. In other words, that the management of Apple is either stupid or blind. Recent history does not suggest that either is the case. It seems more likely to me that Apple is very much aware of the contradiction but has plans to change this, but no intention of telling us about it yet. Gotta wonder what that huge data centre they are building is for, eh?

g0atbutt 16y ago
I don't make either assumption. I've staked quite a bit of my lively hood on building apps for Apple products. I wouldn't do this if I thought they were stupid or blind. I just don't buy the "Post-PC" device story they are telling with the iPad quite yet.
- allertonm 16y ago
  So what you are saying is that you don't believe it is true to call it a post-PC device now, but it will be true at some point in the future. And your problem with this is? Just that they are saying it now? Don't understand the concern, honestly.
zaphar 16y ago
The author mentions the data center and it's likelihood as a solution. His point was that until that DC comes on line and is used as a solution it's disingenuous to call the iPad a post-pc device because it isn't, it's a peripheral. If and when they fix that then you can start calling a post-pc device. Meanwhile an Android pad really is a post-pc device right now no waiting.
- rbarooah 16y ago
  What can you do with an Android pad that you can't do with an iPad bought unlocked from the store?
  - darklajid 16y ago
    Transfer music and data from/to the device using your favorite OS and well-known applications, for one.
    - rbarooah 16y ago
      So, you can't sync your music with a Linux machine. That's it, really?
      - trotsky 16y ago
        Watch 90% of the streaming video out there? Use your choice of fully functional browsers? Download and listen to Amazon MP3 store purchases? Run arbitrary software, even if it's competitive to the platform provider? Mount a usb flash drive? I'm not sure that was the list that you were looking for, but there it is. How post-PC is it really if every time you have to do something Steve Jobs might not approve of you need to borrow someone's laptop?
        rbarooah 16y ago
        The 90% of streaming video claim is utterly false - it's at least 54% and climbing very fast. If we're going to do this, let's at least not just make stuff up. (http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/10/27/54-of-web-video-is-now-html5/ http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/10/27/54-of-web-video-is-now...) The closed platform argument is perfectly valid, but has nothing to do with whether we're moving into the world of Post PC devices or not. It's pretty obvious that we're never going to get away from the PC era if we have to drag along all of the legacy. Why not list things like "run windows apps" and "run gnome" for good measure?
        trotsky 16y ago
        I'm going to skip most of your comments, because if you're trying to equate "download amazon mp3s" with "run (binary emulated) windows apps (built for a different cpu)" you're clearly just looking to score points for the home team. But as far as the "at least 54% of streaming video is html5" I had to laugh. Yes, I realize you linked to someone who said it was true so it must be. I take it, though, that you don't actually try to watch web video with nothing but an html5 client - or you'd never have felt comfortable repeating that. Statistics of course can be bent, and I'm sure what they're doing is weighting for volume - and since youtube has 18 zillion videos and supports html5 that's probably at least 40% of their number right there. However, in the real world... MeFeedia’s index includes over 33,000 publishers including Hulu, CBS, ABC, YouTube, Vimeo, DailyMotion and others. Hulu: Hulu requires Flash Player 10.0.32 or higher. Please download and install the latest version of Flash Player before continuing. (Indeed, yes, you can pay $8/mo for a dedicated ipad client) CBS: Should work on the iPad - sadly, it only gave me: This content requires Adobe Flash Player 9. Please click here to install it. ABC: This content requires Adobe Flash Player - Ver 10.1. Click here to get the latest version of Flash (iPad? Download an app!) Youtube: It works! Vimeo: It works! Dailymotion: claims html5 support but no video plays (FAQ: Why is the video not playing? You might need to update you browser's Flash plug-in) So OK, 33% (or maybe even 50%-66%) of their main list supporting html5 is actually pretty good - and it's only 21% below their figure. The only problem? That list is slow pitch softball, every single provider on that list publicly supports iPad content in one way or another. It almost makes you wonder, who paid for that survey? Check a few more... FOX: We're Sorry! You need to update your flash player NBC: The NBC video experience requires flash Al Jazeera: We're Sorry! You need to update your flash player Comedy Central: To view this movie you need the Adobe Flash Player plugin. Amazon Instant Video: You do not have a supported version of Adobe Flash, a requirement for watching Amazon Instant Video PBS: To view the full experience of this website, please download and install Adobe Flash Player 9. Metacafe: Needs flash IMDB: In order to play this video, you must have Flash 8 or higher installed on your computer Yahoo Video: Yahoo! Video requires a more recent version of the Adobe Flash Player. etc etc etc Obviously, I could list those for pages. I think you get my point. All tests done with Chrome + VP8 & Opera w/ gstreamer h.264. I couldn't find my iPhone charging cable.
- allertonm 16y ago
  Even if the author was right about the iPad not being a post-PC device, your assertion that it is just a peripheral is laughable hyperbole.
recoiledsnake 16y ago
>The author seems to assume that Apple is either unaware of the contradiction or aware of it with no plan to change. In other words, that the management of Apple is either stupid or blind. Recent history does not suggest that either is the case. If it had no intention of telling us about it, why call it a Post-PC device? They wanted to create media hype among the crowd and the media and bloggers. Just like Motorola likes to bill the Xoom as an iPad killer because of the spec difference, Jobs want to posture the iPad as a PC killer because of the high sales. Truth doesn't enter into the conversation in either case and is kind of afterthought to the objectives behind such posturing. Only geeks like us would be arguing over such things.

g0atbutt 16y ago

I don't make either assumption. I've staked quite a bit of my lively hood on building apps for Apple products. I wouldn't do this if I thought they were stupid or blind. I just don't buy the "Post-PC" device story they are telling with the iPad quite yet.

allertonm 16y ago
So what you are saying is that you don't believe it is true to call it a post-PC device now, but it will be true at some point in the future. And your problem with this is? Just that they are saying it now? Don't understand the concern, honestly.

zaphar 16y ago

The author mentions the data center and it's likelihood as a solution. His point was that until that DC comes on line and is used as a solution it's disingenuous to call the iPad a post-pc device because it isn't, it's a peripheral. If and when they fix that then you can start calling a post-pc device. Meanwhile an Android pad really is a post-pc device right now no waiting.

rbarooah 16y ago
What can you do with an Android pad that you can't do with an iPad bought unlocked from the store?
- darklajid 16y ago
  Transfer music and data from/to the device using your favorite OS and well-known applications, for one.
  - rbarooah 16y ago
    So, you can't sync your music with a Linux machine. That's it, really?
    - trotsky 16y ago
      Watch 90% of the streaming video out there? Use your choice of fully functional browsers? Download and listen to Amazon MP3 store purchases? Run arbitrary software, even if it's competitive to the platform provider? Mount a usb flash drive? I'm not sure that was the list that you were looking for, but there it is. How post-PC is it really if every time you have to do something Steve Jobs might not approve of you need to borrow someone's laptop?
      - rbarooah 16y ago
        The 90% of streaming video claim is utterly false - it's at least 54% and climbing very fast. If we're going to do this, let's at least not just make stuff up. (http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/10/27/54-of-web-video-is-now-html5/ http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/10/27/54-of-web-video-is-now...) The closed platform argument is perfectly valid, but has nothing to do with whether we're moving into the world of Post PC devices or not. It's pretty obvious that we're never going to get away from the PC era if we have to drag along all of the legacy. Why not list things like "run windows apps" and "run gnome" for good measure?
        trotsky 16y ago
        I'm going to skip most of your comments, because if you're trying to equate "download amazon mp3s" with "run (binary emulated) windows apps (built for a different cpu)" you're clearly just looking to score points for the home team. But as far as the "at least 54% of streaming video is html5" I had to laugh. Yes, I realize you linked to someone who said it was true so it must be. I take it, though, that you don't actually try to watch web video with nothing but an html5 client - or you'd never have felt comfortable repeating that. Statistics of course can be bent, and I'm sure what they're doing is weighting for volume - and since youtube has 18 zillion videos and supports html5 that's probably at least 40% of their number right there. However, in the real world... MeFeedia’s index includes over 33,000 publishers including Hulu, CBS, ABC, YouTube, Vimeo, DailyMotion and others. Hulu: Hulu requires Flash Player 10.0.32 or higher. Please download and install the latest version of Flash Player before continuing. (Indeed, yes, you can pay $8/mo for a dedicated ipad client) CBS: Should work on the iPad - sadly, it only gave me: This content requires Adobe Flash Player 9. Please click here to install it. ABC: This content requires Adobe Flash Player - Ver 10.1. Click here to get the latest version of Flash (iPad? Download an app!) Youtube: It works! Vimeo: It works! Dailymotion: claims html5 support but no video plays (FAQ: Why is the video not playing? You might need to update you browser's Flash plug-in) So OK, 33% (or maybe even 50%-66%) of their main list supporting html5 is actually pretty good - and it's only 21% below their figure. The only problem? That list is slow pitch softball, every single provider on that list publicly supports iPad content in one way or another. It almost makes you wonder, who paid for that survey? Check a few more... FOX: We're Sorry! You need to update your flash player NBC: The NBC video experience requires flash Al Jazeera: We're Sorry! You need to update your flash player Comedy Central: To view this movie you need the Adobe Flash Player plugin. Amazon Instant Video: You do not have a supported version of Adobe Flash, a requirement for watching Amazon Instant Video PBS: To view the full experience of this website, please download and install Adobe Flash Player 9. Metacafe: Needs flash IMDB: In order to play this video, you must have Flash 8 or higher installed on your computer Yahoo Video: Yahoo! Video requires a more recent version of the Adobe Flash Player. etc etc etc Obviously, I could list those for pages. I think you get my point. All tests done with Chrome + VP8 & Opera w/ gstreamer h.264. I couldn't find my iPhone charging cable.
allertonm 16y ago
Even if the author was right about the iPad not being a post-PC device, your assertion that it is just a peripheral is laughable hyperbole.

recoiledsnake 16y ago

>The author seems to assume that Apple is either unaware of the contradiction or aware of it with no plan to change. In other words, that the management of Apple is either stupid or blind. Recent history does not suggest that either is the case. If it had no intention of telling us about it, why call it a Post-PC device? They wanted to create media hype among the crowd and the media and bloggers. Just like Motorola likes to bill the Xoom as an iPad killer because of the spec difference, Jobs want to posture the iPad as a PC killer because of the high sales. Truth doesn't enter into the conversation in either case and is kind of afterthought to the objectives behind such posturing. Only geeks like us would be arguing over such things.