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It's interesting that each major web language seems to have paired off with a different VCS: - Python + Hg - Ruby + Git - PHP + ...SVN?

by jarin 16y ago

strmpnk 16y ago
The C Ruby implementation is actually on subversion with an official git mirror. Granted, most Ruby projects are hosted using git repositories these days.
burgerbrain 16y ago
PHP + ...SVN? Gotta say, they deserve each other.
- there 16y ago
  and OpenCOBOL uses CVS http://www.opencobol.org/ http://www.opencobol.org/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/develop http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/develop) maybe a language older than that still uses RCS
  - barake 16y ago
    The ERP where I work wraps RCS with a bunch of scripts. It's used for source control (of course) but also schema migrations, source generation, and a million other things I've checked files out that were last modified before I was born.
- abredow 16y ago
  Because they both have widespread adoption?
  - burgerbrain 16y ago
    Because both are commonly perceived as a step backwards from the current state of the art, but more importantly because it's good sport to make cheap jabs at both of them :P
- bluesnowmonkey 16y ago
  You know, comments like that disparage by implication anyone who finds value in PHP or SVN. That's a big chunk of the development community. It tears people apart rather than bringing them together. Maybe you should redirect your energy from snark and criticism toward something more constructive.
  - burgerbrain 16y ago
    You can simultaneously find value in something, and have a sense of humour about that something's shortcomings. Learning to laugh at ourselves is probably the greatest thing humanity could do to further peace and happiness.
    - bluesnowmonkey 16y ago
      That's a fair point, when it applies. But I perceive this joke as coming more often from a sense of superiority and an emotionally ill-conceived attempt to improve others by insulting them.
      - burgerbrain 16y ago
        Or perhaps it comes out of pent up frustration at having to use them myself in work environments ;)
  - jrockway 16y ago
    You know, comments like that disparage by implication anyone who finds value in PHP or SVN. Maybe if we disparage them enough they'll switch to a real programming language and version control tool.
    - jarin 16y ago
      PHP developers can probably take comfort in the fact that much like Java, Perl, C, Snooki, and others, even though PHP is long past its "sexy" stage, it's well into its "many billion-dollar companies are built on this" stage. SVN users, well, they probably just don't know any better. :)
dchest 16y ago
- Tcl + Fossil http://code.activestate.com/lists/tcl-core/10108/ http://code.activestate.com/lists/tcl-core/10108/ :-)
- sigzero 16y ago
  That is an excellent choice for them. Dr. Hipp (author of SQLite) is the author of Fossil and a big Tcl fan. Tcl is maintained by a small core team of developers. Just an overall good fit for them.
jrockway 16y ago
Perl also uses Git.
- burgerbrain 16y ago
  And Go uses mercurial.
  - eneveu 16y ago
    An explanation for that might be that Go, being a Google Project, is hosted on Google Code, where Mercurial is the only supported DVCS. http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/04/mercurial-support-for-project-hosting.html http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/04/mercurial-support-for... http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis
Groxx 16y ago
- .NET + VSS?
- icey 16y ago
  TFS now (Team Foundation Server)
  - smhinsey 16y ago
    I was under the impression that they use SourceDepot still, but I could be wrong.
- mwsherman 16y ago
  Codeplex, which is Microsoft's open source site, supports Mercurial, SVN and TFS.
  - personalcompute 16y ago
    Holy freaking cow, Microsoft has an open source hosting site?
    - Groxx 16y ago
      If you can give it that much credit, yes, technically they do.
    - est 16y ago
      It's mainly C# and .NET stuff on there.
drdaeman 16y ago
- Haskell (at least GHC) + Darcs
- jedbrown 16y ago
  A permanent switch to Git for GHC and all associated repositories is planned for March 15.
jmuk 16y ago
So nobody is using Monotone?
l0nwlf 16y ago
There is a reason Python is paired with Mercurial. Hg is written in Python. As for why Mercurial was chosen over Bazaar, it came down to popularity. As the core developer survey shows, hg was preferred over bzr.
- briancurtin 16y ago
  That's not really the reason, and I believe it's even stated in the PEP.
  - sunqiang 16y ago
    yeah, http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/ http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/
cppsnob 16y ago
Java?
- supert0nes 16y ago
  Java is a specification, the Oracle JRE/JDK is not open source. The OpenJDK uses Hg. When they talk about Python they are talking about the cpython or main implementation. Pypy, another Python implementation uses Hg as well
stewbrew 16y ago
it has more to do with corporate affiliations: hg seems to be strong at Google github was done in ruby php ... whatever

It's interesting that each major web language seems to have paired off with a different VCS: - Python + Hg - Ruby + Git - PHP + ...SVN?

by jarin 16y ago

It's interesting that each major web language seems to have paired off with a different VCS: - Python + Hg - Ruby + Git - PHP + ...SVN?

strmpnk 16y ago

The C Ruby implementation is actually on subversion with an official git mirror. Granted, most Ruby projects are hosted using git repositories these days.

burgerbrain 16y ago

PHP + ...SVN? Gotta say, they deserve each other.

there 16y ago
and OpenCOBOL uses CVS http://www.opencobol.org/ http://www.opencobol.org/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/develop http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-cobol/develop) maybe a language older than that still uses RCS
- barake 16y ago
  The ERP where I work wraps RCS with a bunch of scripts. It's used for source control (of course) but also schema migrations, source generation, and a million other things I've checked files out that were last modified before I was born.
abredow 16y ago
Because they both have widespread adoption?
- burgerbrain 16y ago
  Because both are commonly perceived as a step backwards from the current state of the art, but more importantly because it's good sport to make cheap jabs at both of them :P
bluesnowmonkey 16y ago
You know, comments like that disparage by implication anyone who finds value in PHP or SVN. That's a big chunk of the development community. It tears people apart rather than bringing them together. Maybe you should redirect your energy from snark and criticism toward something more constructive.
- burgerbrain 16y ago
  You can simultaneously find value in something, and have a sense of humour about that something's shortcomings. Learning to laugh at ourselves is probably the greatest thing humanity could do to further peace and happiness.
  - bluesnowmonkey 16y ago
    That's a fair point, when it applies. But I perceive this joke as coming more often from a sense of superiority and an emotionally ill-conceived attempt to improve others by insulting them.
    - burgerbrain 16y ago
      Or perhaps it comes out of pent up frustration at having to use them myself in work environments ;)
- jrockway 16y ago
  You know, comments like that disparage by implication anyone who finds value in PHP or SVN. Maybe if we disparage them enough they'll switch to a real programming language and version control tool.
  - jarin 16y ago
    PHP developers can probably take comfort in the fact that much like Java, Perl, C, Snooki, and others, even though PHP is long past its "sexy" stage, it's well into its "many billion-dollar companies are built on this" stage. SVN users, well, they probably just don't know any better. :)

dchest 16y ago

- Tcl + Fossil http://code.activestate.com/lists/tcl-core/10108/ http://code.activestate.com/lists/tcl-core/10108/ :-)

sigzero 16y ago
That is an excellent choice for them. Dr. Hipp (author of SQLite) is the author of Fossil and a big Tcl fan. Tcl is maintained by a small core team of developers. Just an overall good fit for them.

jrockway 16y ago

Perl also uses Git.

burgerbrain 16y ago
And Go uses mercurial.
- eneveu 16y ago
  An explanation for that might be that Go, being a Google Project, is hosted on Google Code, where Mercurial is the only supported DVCS. http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/04/mercurial-support-for-project-hosting.html http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/04/mercurial-support-for... http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis

Groxx 16y ago

- .NET + VSS?

icey 16y ago
TFS now (Team Foundation Server)
- smhinsey 16y ago
  I was under the impression that they use SourceDepot still, but I could be wrong.
mwsherman 16y ago
Codeplex, which is Microsoft's open source site, supports Mercurial, SVN and TFS.
- personalcompute 16y ago
  Holy freaking cow, Microsoft has an open source hosting site?
  - Groxx 16y ago
    If you can give it that much credit, yes, technically they do.
  - est 16y ago
    It's mainly C# and .NET stuff on there.

drdaeman 16y ago

- Haskell (at least GHC) + Darcs

jedbrown 16y ago
A permanent switch to Git for GHC and all associated repositories is planned for March 15.

jmuk 16y ago

So nobody is using Monotone?

l0nwlf 16y ago

There is a reason Python is paired with Mercurial. Hg is written in Python. As for why Mercurial was chosen over Bazaar, it came down to popularity. As the core developer survey shows, hg was preferred over bzr.

briancurtin 16y ago
That's not really the reason, and I believe it's even stated in the PEP.
- sunqiang 16y ago
  yeah, http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/ http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/

cppsnob 16y ago

Java?

supert0nes 16y ago
Java is a specification, the Oracle JRE/JDK is not open source. The OpenJDK uses Hg. When they talk about Python they are talking about the cpython or main implementation. Pypy, another Python implementation uses Hg as well

stewbrew 16y ago

it has more to do with corporate affiliations: hg seems to be strong at Google github was done in ruby php ... whatever