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> There appear to be strong signs that even with very mild symptoms patients can have significant lung damage, and also damage to other organs. This is complet

> There appear to be strong signs that even with very mild symptoms patients can have significant lung damage, and also damage to other organs. This is completely contradictory. You should stop reading fake news or social media reports, because this is where some utter stupid statements like this come from. COVID-19 is a novel coronavirus, but it's not a novel virus. It is a coronavirus, which means that that we know that it is a respiratory virus like other viruses. It doesn't attack organs like so many dumb people claim. It attacks your respiratory tract, which also includes your lungs. That itself is harmless in most people as their immune system will quickly produce anti bodies and then erradicate the virus from your body. In some cases the virus multiplies faster than the immune response, which means the lungs get heavily inflamed and your body starts to get less oxygen than needed. This is the reason why organs fail, because of a lack of oxygen. If one person was infected with mild symptoms and then has been cleared of the virus (~ 7 days later, and I was one of these people myself) then the virus is gone from your body and there's no way to magically all of a sudden get any long term damages to anything if you don't have them to begin with. It's not like your organs start out of nowhere to just stop working. Also before you even get to that point you are so severly ill that you need a ventialtor to breath, so it's not like you can get a damage to an organ out of nowhere without noticing it. > I've seen discussions that the people affected might be patients for the rest of their lives. If they fully recovered then this is not possible. If they were extremley severely ill and lack of oxygen damanged some organs then yes maybe but that is not the case for 99% of people.

kaybe 7y ago
> This is completely contradictory. You should stop reading fake news or social media reports, because this is where some utter stupid statements like this come from. It depends what exactly 'mild' means I guess. I might not have worded it well (not my first language etc). Just to be sure I went to the most reliable sources available (not just standard news - it's in German though, they cite a lot of papers if anyone is interested, but most are for SARS-CoV-1, 45-48 specifically talk about long-term damages) and I still stand by my statement, though the phrasing I chose make it appear more drastic than I meant it. If everyone gets it and a few percent of the population get lasting damage (which from a quick paper survey does not seem totally unrealistic), is that acceptable? (https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Steckbrief.html https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...) (eg https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1440-1843.2010.01720.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1440-1843...)
- dustinmoris 7y ago
  You really need to educate yourself a bit on basics, so that you don't believe every stupid news report. Remember, since the lockdown news papers have nothing else to report on except coronavirus. They must find something new newsworthy every day and therefore a lot of utter shit gets printed. 1. The news article which you originally posted is a summary of the message which the doctor gave in a scubadiving magazine. In that magazine the message is less sensationalist. 2. Not every COVID-19 infection ends up affecting your lungs. COVID-19 in particular starts in your throat (which is why many report a sore throat to begin with). Once it is in your throat the virus multiplies and will eventually penetrate your lungs. However, if you are fit and healthy then normally your body will react quickly and start fighting the virus. In my case I had really high fever for 2 days and on day 3 and after I was getting significantly better. My immune system was able to fight the virus before it even got to my lungs. I had a sore throat, high fever, didn't taste my food, had a cough, fatigue, but I didn't have shortness of breath. If the virus never enters your lungs it can't damage them. 3. Even if the virus enters your lungs it doesn't mean anything yet. It really depends how strong your immune system is in reacting to the virus. If it takes 7-10 days like with old or weakend people then your lungs might get severly infected before your body starts to fight it off, however when you're healthy then you might fight it off before you get a bad lung infection. 4. A lung infection is not unique to COVID-19. It doesn't matter what causes your lung infection, once you have it the symptoms and possible outcomes are the same. Doesn't matter if bronchitis, a flu, a bad cold or COVID-19 caused you to get a lung infection or pneumonia. Anyways, with some medical support even those people will get over it in most cases. However, it is VERY COMMON to have many weeks after a lung infection still some leftover symptoms. Some patients have a cough for two months after a bad cold or flu. It is common that there will still be traces visible in a lung scan many weeks after, but almost all these cases eventually clear up. An inflamation means that tissue has gone sore. Your body fights off the virus, but your tissue takes longer to recover from the soreness. That is normal and it's not unique to COVID-19. EXACTLY the same would happen after a flu or cold. Hope these facts make it a lot clearer, because the amount of false information spread via social media and some low key fake news websites is astonishing and really harmful.
acqq 7y ago
> there's no way to magically all of a sudden get any long term damages to anything if you don't have them to begin with Based on what exactly can you claim that? It's surely not how every non-latent virus works. Every non-latent virus actually destroys whatever cells it enters. (1) (2) If your immune system stop its spread in your body, it still doesn't mean that exactly that virus hasn't permanently destroyed some of your tissues before the immune system had the time to stop the actions of the virus. 1) https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/virus-human3.htm https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/... 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytopathic_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytopathic_effect There are also many observations of SARS-CoV-2 destructiveness of various tissues, not only lungs: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus... The same article was also on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22915660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22915660
warpspin 7y ago
> This is completely contradictory. You should stop reading fake news or social media reports The report he linked was Italian state media (quoting Austrian doctors). Not exactly well known for "fake news". The report is anecdotal, for sure, but still no reason to call a respected European news outfit "fake news" or "social media".
- dustinmoris 7y ago
  Yes it was printed in some low key European online news, but the original article was a scubadiving magazine where this Austrian scubadiving doctor was just giving some commentary. Even Austria's newspaper "derstandard.at" saw criticism over printing an overly sensationalist summary of that scubadiving commentary by the doctor and everything the doctor has said is completely normal to see in pneumonia patients as well, because sore tissue (which is what an inflamation in your lungs is) takes longer to heal than getting rid of the virus itself, but just like any wound it heals. If there was ANY significance to this and this wasn't just an out of context over sensationalist news article to get people scared then it would be all over the big news. It is really really scary how many supposedly intelligent people on HN are falling for so much shit. No wonder the world is what it is when the majority of people are so incapable of critical thinking and making their own educated opinion rather than repeating every shit they are being fed by someone who wants you to believe something different every day.
  - warpspin 7y ago
    See, regarding the issue at hand, you are most probably right. It is anecdotal as I already said, and especially, simply far too early to judge "permanent" damage. Even with Sars 1, while there are minor lasting damages reported to the lungs in some cases, those seem to heal over time. The only thing I object to is the aggressiveness with which you bash a concerned person for reading an article on a well respected news site. Telling people they "should stop reading fake news or social media reports" was entirely inappropriate.

kaybe 7y ago

> This is completely contradictory. You should stop reading fake news or social media reports, because this is where some utter stupid statements like this come from. It depends what exactly 'mild' means I guess. I might not have worded it well (not my first language etc). Just to be sure I went to the most reliable sources available (not just standard news - it's in German though, they cite a lot of papers if anyone is interested, but most are for SARS-CoV-1, 45-48 specifically talk about long-term damages) and I still stand by my statement, though the phrasing I chose make it appear more drastic than I meant it. If everyone gets it and a few percent of the population get lasting damage (which from a quick paper survey does not seem totally unrealistic), is that acceptable? (https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Steckbrief.html https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...) (eg https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1440-1843.2010.01720.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1440-1843...)

dustinmoris 7y ago
You really need to educate yourself a bit on basics, so that you don't believe every stupid news report. Remember, since the lockdown news papers have nothing else to report on except coronavirus. They must find something new newsworthy every day and therefore a lot of utter shit gets printed. 1. The news article which you originally posted is a summary of the message which the doctor gave in a scubadiving magazine. In that magazine the message is less sensationalist. 2. Not every COVID-19 infection ends up affecting your lungs. COVID-19 in particular starts in your throat (which is why many report a sore throat to begin with). Once it is in your throat the virus multiplies and will eventually penetrate your lungs. However, if you are fit and healthy then normally your body will react quickly and start fighting the virus. In my case I had really high fever for 2 days and on day 3 and after I was getting significantly better. My immune system was able to fight the virus before it even got to my lungs. I had a sore throat, high fever, didn't taste my food, had a cough, fatigue, but I didn't have shortness of breath. If the virus never enters your lungs it can't damage them. 3. Even if the virus enters your lungs it doesn't mean anything yet. It really depends how strong your immune system is in reacting to the virus. If it takes 7-10 days like with old or weakend people then your lungs might get severly infected before your body starts to fight it off, however when you're healthy then you might fight it off before you get a bad lung infection. 4. A lung infection is not unique to COVID-19. It doesn't matter what causes your lung infection, once you have it the symptoms and possible outcomes are the same. Doesn't matter if bronchitis, a flu, a bad cold or COVID-19 caused you to get a lung infection or pneumonia. Anyways, with some medical support even those people will get over it in most cases. However, it is VERY COMMON to have many weeks after a lung infection still some leftover symptoms. Some patients have a cough for two months after a bad cold or flu. It is common that there will still be traces visible in a lung scan many weeks after, but almost all these cases eventually clear up. An inflamation means that tissue has gone sore. Your body fights off the virus, but your tissue takes longer to recover from the soreness. That is normal and it's not unique to COVID-19. EXACTLY the same would happen after a flu or cold. Hope these facts make it a lot clearer, because the amount of false information spread via social media and some low key fake news websites is astonishing and really harmful.

acqq 7y ago

> there's no way to magically all of a sudden get any long term damages to anything if you don't have them to begin with Based on what exactly can you claim that? It's surely not how every non-latent virus works. Every non-latent virus actually destroys whatever cells it enters. (1) (2) If your immune system stop its spread in your body, it still doesn't mean that exactly that virus hasn't permanently destroyed some of your tissues before the immune system had the time to stop the actions of the virus. 1) https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/virus-human3.htm https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/... 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytopathic_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytopathic_effect There are also many observations of SARS-CoV-2 destructiveness of various tissues, not only lungs: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus... The same article was also on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22915660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22915660

warpspin 7y ago

> This is completely contradictory. You should stop reading fake news or social media reports The report he linked was Italian state media (quoting Austrian doctors). Not exactly well known for "fake news". The report is anecdotal, for sure, but still no reason to call a respected European news outfit "fake news" or "social media".

dustinmoris 7y ago
Yes it was printed in some low key European online news, but the original article was a scubadiving magazine where this Austrian scubadiving doctor was just giving some commentary. Even Austria's newspaper "derstandard.at" saw criticism over printing an overly sensationalist summary of that scubadiving commentary by the doctor and everything the doctor has said is completely normal to see in pneumonia patients as well, because sore tissue (which is what an inflamation in your lungs is) takes longer to heal than getting rid of the virus itself, but just like any wound it heals. If there was ANY significance to this and this wasn't just an out of context over sensationalist news article to get people scared then it would be all over the big news. It is really really scary how many supposedly intelligent people on HN are falling for so much shit. No wonder the world is what it is when the majority of people are so incapable of critical thinking and making their own educated opinion rather than repeating every shit they are being fed by someone who wants you to believe something different every day.
- warpspin 7y ago
  See, regarding the issue at hand, you are most probably right. It is anecdotal as I already said, and especially, simply far too early to judge "permanent" damage. Even with Sars 1, while there are minor lasting damages reported to the lungs in some cases, those seem to heal over time. The only thing I object to is the aggressiveness with which you bash a concerned person for reading an article on a well respected news site. Telling people they "should stop reading fake news or social media reports" was entirely inappropriate.