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Fine them for what though? they don't seem to be breaking any regulations, they just have a lot of money and the local media companies want some of it. that's

Fine them for what though? they don't seem to be breaking any regulations, they just have a lot of money and the local media companies want some of it. that's not a fine.

luckylion 7y ago
> they don't seem to be breaking any regulations, they just have a lot of money and the local media companies want some of it. That's a great way to get a law passed ;) I'm not saying that I believe the Australian government has a legitimate case or anything, just that between "Google can do whatever it likes" and "all of Google's websites are blocked at ISP levels", there are a few levels of escalation that they can pick.
- dodobirdlord 7y ago
  True, but the escalation goes in both directions. Google and Facebook are American companies, Australia and the US have existing free-trade agreements. Imposing fines on foreign businesses to force them to roll over for the benefit of local businesses is exactly the sort of thing that free-trade agreements forbid in no unclear terms. There are a lot of factors at play. Trump dislikes Google because the conservative hive mind has turned against it, but favors Facebook because it's supposedly essential to his campaign operations. Plus he's got a protectionist bent and loves trade sanctions.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    I doubt that anything will happen, really. It's a negotiation, the Australian government says "give us all your money", Google says "you're not getting one cent" and in the end Google will favor traditional media companies' sites a bit more ("fighting fake news with real information"), donate to a few journalism programs and possibly start creator-ad-share on news.
blondin 7y ago
feel like we discussed this here before and it was a different country (france?) so the issues is using content in google news or in snippets shown in google search results. i commented before that i seldom leave news or the main search anymore because of these snippets. why isn't it fair that the ads revenue is shared with these news publishers if their content is taken?
- notatoad 7y ago
  it is fair that the revenue gets shared. i don't believe that publicly funded journalism is a bad thing, or that taxes are a bad thing. i just think a sneaky end-run around the normal systems of taxation and subsidy are a bad thing. Google and Facebook should be subject to heavy taxation, and local journalism should be supported through public funding. What these countries are trying to do is good, in spirit. i just think the government should not be in the business of deciding how much one independent private company pays another independent private company, and i don't think governments should be passing laws just for the purpose of being able to issue fines. if the government wants to redistribute wealth, they should do it through taxation, and they should be honest about what they're doing.
- vorpalhex 7y ago
  1. The news sites make the snippets available 2. Google could just stop showing them. See Spain where this killed the newspapers. This is entirely a case of publishers wanting their cake and Google's too.

Fine them for what though? they don't seem to be breaking any regulations, they just have a lot of money and the local media companies want some of it. that's not a fine.

luckylion 7y ago

> they don't seem to be breaking any regulations, they just have a lot of money and the local media companies want some of it. That's a great way to get a law passed ;) I'm not saying that I believe the Australian government has a legitimate case or anything, just that between "Google can do whatever it likes" and "all of Google's websites are blocked at ISP levels", there are a few levels of escalation that they can pick.

dodobirdlord 7y ago
True, but the escalation goes in both directions. Google and Facebook are American companies, Australia and the US have existing free-trade agreements. Imposing fines on foreign businesses to force them to roll over for the benefit of local businesses is exactly the sort of thing that free-trade agreements forbid in no unclear terms. There are a lot of factors at play. Trump dislikes Google because the conservative hive mind has turned against it, but favors Facebook because it's supposedly essential to his campaign operations. Plus he's got a protectionist bent and loves trade sanctions.
- luckylion 7y ago
  I doubt that anything will happen, really. It's a negotiation, the Australian government says "give us all your money", Google says "you're not getting one cent" and in the end Google will favor traditional media companies' sites a bit more ("fighting fake news with real information"), donate to a few journalism programs and possibly start creator-ad-share on news.

blondin 7y ago

feel like we discussed this here before and it was a different country (france?) so the issues is using content in google news or in snippets shown in google search results. i commented before that i seldom leave news or the main search anymore because of these snippets. why isn't it fair that the ads revenue is shared with these news publishers if their content is taken?

notatoad 7y ago
it is fair that the revenue gets shared. i don't believe that publicly funded journalism is a bad thing, or that taxes are a bad thing. i just think a sneaky end-run around the normal systems of taxation and subsidy are a bad thing. Google and Facebook should be subject to heavy taxation, and local journalism should be supported through public funding. What these countries are trying to do is good, in spirit. i just think the government should not be in the business of deciding how much one independent private company pays another independent private company, and i don't think governments should be passing laws just for the purpose of being able to issue fines. if the government wants to redistribute wealth, they should do it through taxation, and they should be honest about what they're doing.
vorpalhex 7y ago
1. The news sites make the snippets available 2. Google could just stop showing them. See Spain where this killed the newspapers. This is entirely a case of publishers wanting their cake and Google's too.