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> The Democrats did a fine job "gatekeeping" Sanders from the 2016 and 2020 nomination, to what end? I don't understand this perspective. Sanders lost because

> The Democrats did a fine job "gatekeeping" Sanders from the 2016 and 2020 nomination, to what end? I don't understand this perspective. Sanders lost because he lost primary elections. That happened because democrats didn't believe in him as a candidate. Many of us have been steadfast in our disbelief for years due only to listening to what he himself says about what he wants to do. Why discredit our opinions this way?

kyletns 7y ago
Sorry, but if you don't think the entire Democratic machine has been working against a Sanders win for 5 years, you haven't been doing enough research. I know you don't like him, and you are 100% entitled to dislike and vote against him - but to pretend that he lost only because he wasn't popular enough is pretty blind to how our democracy runs.
- preommr 7y ago
  Not having enough support is the only reason he lost. The DNC didn't go in and tamper votes. I've seen many sanders supporters get upset over things that they perceive as unfair like how candidates dropped out to stop splitting the vote. Every single candidate has had complaints about being treated unfairly. People were calling joe's campaign dead in the water. Yang got upset enough that he called out networks in a very public manner. And yea, Sanders wasn't supported by the establishment. But like we've seen with Trump, the establishment doesn't matter if the candidate has real support. Obama was a no name senator that beat the most establishment character ever because he had that support. Sanders had a lot of problems as a candidate, and those are the real reasons that he lost rather than conspiracy theories about machinations by the elite.
- jeremyjh 7y ago
  Was "the democratic machine" casting ballots in the primaries? Were they controlling the minds of the people who did? The "republican machine" tried to stop Trump and failed, because at the end of the day people voted for Trump in the primaries. He was popular in a way that Sanders wasn't.

kyletns 7y ago

Sorry, but if you don't think the entire Democratic machine has been working against a Sanders win for 5 years, you haven't been doing enough research. I know you don't like him, and you are 100% entitled to dislike and vote against him - but to pretend that he lost only because he wasn't popular enough is pretty blind to how our democracy runs.

preommr 7y ago
Not having enough support is the only reason he lost. The DNC didn't go in and tamper votes. I've seen many sanders supporters get upset over things that they perceive as unfair like how candidates dropped out to stop splitting the vote. Every single candidate has had complaints about being treated unfairly. People were calling joe's campaign dead in the water. Yang got upset enough that he called out networks in a very public manner. And yea, Sanders wasn't supported by the establishment. But like we've seen with Trump, the establishment doesn't matter if the candidate has real support. Obama was a no name senator that beat the most establishment character ever because he had that support. Sanders had a lot of problems as a candidate, and those are the real reasons that he lost rather than conspiracy theories about machinations by the elite.
jeremyjh 7y ago
Was "the democratic machine" casting ballots in the primaries? Were they controlling the minds of the people who did? The "republican machine" tried to stop Trump and failed, because at the end of the day people voted for Trump in the primaries. He was popular in a way that Sanders wasn't.