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> That's precisely the narcissist and egotistical attitude that's being criticised. > They feel that as the disease does not affect them personally then they s

> That's precisely the narcissist and egotistical attitude that's being criticised. > They feel that as the disease does not affect them personally then they should just not be inconvenienced in any way. But that misses the whole point, doesn't it? The point is not about you. The point is that your wreckless behavior puts everyone around you at risk, including those who covid19 threatens their lives. Wow. Everyone is on the verge of getting the sack right now. That means families and children going hungry. If it's a choice between certain misery or uncertain life, I would choose the latter every time. Now I do realise that decision wouldn't affect me because I'm young, which is why I'm self isolating like everybody else. But do realise that is a privilege and not something everybody can do. Please stop pretending like these people are egotistical and narcissistic when they simply don't have any other choice.

bobthechef 7y ago
I'm not sure why you were downvoted. Seems like the self-centeredness of people who are better off (kind of like that 2016 election, eh?). Programmers and developers can comfortably work from home. Most people, most people in the lower working classes, cannot. So either they starve or go homeless or they risk their lives to provide for themselves and their families. How is it even a question which of the two is preferable? Are you really asking them to starve because of the risk? You know, if you want narcissism, look no further than the moralizers, especially the ones comfortably clacking away at their keyboards in the comfort of their own homes and making six figures.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  To be honest, I would've prefaced my previous comment with "I suppose the HN bubble wouldn't get this..". It felt like an unfair thing to say but it's probably true that half the people here don't have a clue what life is like for the working classes right now. We're not immune from this situation either. If the working classes can't.. work, then everything that keeps us comfortable falls out from underneath.
watertom 7y ago
What I saw were people not wearing masks holding signs that spoke of the Freedom, communism, hoax. I didn’t see any sign saying, “I’m broke”, or “I’m out of work”, or “I’m starving”. I’m going with the selfish narcissistic behavior option.
aibara 7y ago
> Please stop pretending like these people are egotistical and narcissistic when they simply don't have any other choice. I think some of the contention here is that you believe those protesting the restrictions are the same as those who are most hurt by them. But I don't think most people here are upset that people who have no safe place to go, don't have money to buy necessities, etc. in the best of times, are facing terrible difficulties and are upset. Maybe it's different elsewhere, but at least in my own state (Michigan), protesters seem to be people who are frustrated that they can't go about their daily life as usual. They tend to better off than many and can do things like drive to Lansing to protest, with the most vocal yelling about how they need haircuts, not being able to keep their lawns in perfect condition, and how they can't go to their cabins up north. And plenty still believe this is all just a big conspiracy and government power grab (tons at the protests didn't wear masks or socially distance at all). People in my city (Detroit) are getting hit the hardest in the state, partially due to poverty (and race, but around here the two are inextricable). It's not those working-class people who are protesting: they're too busy just trying to survive and stay as safe as they can.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  That's a fair point, I can only react on the information I'm aware of (what I have seen is that if the economic situation in gets any worse, this lockdown will be far worse than the disease itself). What you describe does sound like an awful lack of responsibility and that I do disagree with.

bobthechef 7y ago

I'm not sure why you were downvoted. Seems like the self-centeredness of people who are better off (kind of like that 2016 election, eh?). Programmers and developers can comfortably work from home. Most people, most people in the lower working classes, cannot. So either they starve or go homeless or they risk their lives to provide for themselves and their families. How is it even a question which of the two is preferable? Are you really asking them to starve because of the risk? You know, if you want narcissism, look no further than the moralizers, especially the ones comfortably clacking away at their keyboards in the comfort of their own homes and making six figures.

cameronbrown 7y ago
To be honest, I would've prefaced my previous comment with "I suppose the HN bubble wouldn't get this..". It felt like an unfair thing to say but it's probably true that half the people here don't have a clue what life is like for the working classes right now. We're not immune from this situation either. If the working classes can't.. work, then everything that keeps us comfortable falls out from underneath.

watertom 7y ago

What I saw were people not wearing masks holding signs that spoke of the Freedom, communism, hoax. I didn’t see any sign saying, “I’m broke”, or “I’m out of work”, or “I’m starving”. I’m going with the selfish narcissistic behavior option.

aibara 7y ago

> Please stop pretending like these people are egotistical and narcissistic when they simply don't have any other choice. I think some of the contention here is that you believe those protesting the restrictions are the same as those who are most hurt by them. But I don't think most people here are upset that people who have no safe place to go, don't have money to buy necessities, etc. in the best of times, are facing terrible difficulties and are upset. Maybe it's different elsewhere, but at least in my own state (Michigan), protesters seem to be people who are frustrated that they can't go about their daily life as usual. They tend to better off than many and can do things like drive to Lansing to protest, with the most vocal yelling about how they need haircuts, not being able to keep their lawns in perfect condition, and how they can't go to their cabins up north. And plenty still believe this is all just a big conspiracy and government power grab (tons at the protests didn't wear masks or socially distance at all). People in my city (Detroit) are getting hit the hardest in the state, partially due to poverty (and race, but around here the two are inextricable). It's not those working-class people who are protesting: they're too busy just trying to survive and stay as safe as they can.

cameronbrown 7y ago
That's a fair point, I can only react on the information I'm aware of (what I have seen is that if the economic situation in gets any worse, this lockdown will be far worse than the disease itself). What you describe does sound like an awful lack of responsibility and that I do disagree with.