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I find these articles incredibly frustrating. If you go in with such a bias against the core concept then you run at risk of throwing out common sense in the pr
by the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
I find these articles incredibly frustrating. If you go in with such a bias against the core concept then you run at risk of throwing out common sense in the process.
The article can basically be summarized in two points: slippery slope and distrusting the platform holder. The former is best countered by looking over what the platform holders do, the latter has little to do with contact tracing. Apple already broadcasts proximity IDs for "find my". They were in fact heralded for their privacy first approach of that protocol until a few months ago.
If you distrust your platform holder — which is fine — then be aware of what they are doing everywhere. This contact tracing protocol is by far the least worrisome thing these platforms do. In fact it largely just undoes a recent security improvement: MAC address rotation on Bluetooth.
I have a bit problem with blog posts like this: they get circulated widely because they propagate the idea of the big platform holders building a surveillance system. It particularly problematic because it also plays into the hands of PEPP-PT and other efforts which actually do want to build a centralized contact tracing system and they need the platform holders to give more control over the bluetooth stack for that goal.
Right now if apple and google were to go ahead with this implementation it would make it significantly harder to build a surveillance system than if certain other efforts would get their way.
- lr10g 7y agoYou have a point, but 99.9% of consumers cannot follow your reasoning. What they will see is this: "Apple and Google selflessly implement a new magic technology to save our lives. This involves a tiny little bit of contact analysis. Who would possibly resist!" For these 99.9% the association "contact tracing good" has now been established. Companies will slowly go further and further in the future, because this event has established a precedence case. Anchoring bad things to positive events and outcomes works. Advertising works, not for HN readers but for the general population.
- the_mitsuhiko 7y ago> What they will see is this That is not at all what consumers see where I am (Austria). The news of Apple/Google doing contract tracing or supporting it has been very badly received here. People would rather trust a centralized system run by PEPP-PT than a decentralized system aided by Google/Apple.
- therealdrag0 7y agoEh, seems like the opposite. So many people are both skeptical of surveillance and ignorant of technical implementation that no matter how secure/anonymous it is they will FUD about it and think the advertising is lies. And all the other people who don’t care about existing tracking will continue to not care.