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> At the very least, proponent of this theory should be able to provide evidence that bats or viral samples from bats were present in the lab before the outbrea

> At the very least, proponent of this theory should be able to provide evidence that bats or viral samples from bats were present in the lab before the outbreak This is described for both labs that were doing bat research in published, peer-reviewed research in international scientific journals, by the researchers themselves from Wuhan Institute of Virology and Wuhan Centers for Disease Control. Sometimes in great detail. There's a lot of evidence out there. But I agree China's total response and/or numbers aren't really suggestive of either hypothesis.

yurlungur 6y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_pIgvDLcg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_pIgvDLcg Is that so clear? This Dr. Peter Daszak, described as a coronavirus expert who apparently worked with the lab, said (4:50~) "There was no viral isolate in the lab, there was no cultured virus (..) anything related to SARS-COV2 so it's just not possible."
- jnbiche 6y ago
  Your assertion was, "At the very least, proponent of this theory should be able to provide evidence that bats or viral samples from bats were present in the lab before the outbreak". Yes, it's clear they were working with live bats of the species that most scientists, even those who believe in the pangolin hypothesis, believe is the natural reservoir of SARS-CoV-2. Multiple papers published from BOTH Wuhan labs describe such bat research. The Wuhan CDC did so much live animal research that they employed collections expert by the name of Tian Jun-Hua, whose work collecting bats is described in a number of pre-pandemic media reports (including several times he quarantined himself after being exposed to gross amounts of bad urine or blood). You can see him doing his work, including live bat collections, in this (government produced) documentary about the Wuhan CDC: https://youtu.be/ovnUyTRMERI https://youtu.be/ovnUyTRMERI But to your question, here's a paper from the Wuhan CDC lab published in a well-known international journal that I happened to have open: Guo WP, Lin XD, Wang W, et al. "Phylogeny and Origins of Hantaviruses Harbored by Bats, Insectivores, and Rodents" PLoS pathogens Before you stop reading and respond, "those are hantaviruses they were studying. Covid-19 is a coronavirus.", let me stop you. My hypothesis, like others who believe this is a possibility, has never been that they were studying SARS-CoV-2 specifically, but rather that the lab, or a lab-adjacent facility, was where the virus accidentally "spilled over" from bats to humans. That said, they were studying bat coronaviruses in both labs. Also, the Wuhan Institute of Virology was doing live bat research. See the many articles about the Institute's "bat lady", Shi Zheng Li, and her research.

yurlungur 6y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_pIgvDLcg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_pIgvDLcg Is that so clear? This Dr. Peter Daszak, described as a coronavirus expert who apparently worked with the lab, said (4:50~) "There was no viral isolate in the lab, there was no cultured virus (..) anything related to SARS-COV2 so it's just not possible."

jnbiche 6y ago
Your assertion was, "At the very least, proponent of this theory should be able to provide evidence that bats or viral samples from bats were present in the lab before the outbreak". Yes, it's clear they were working with live bats of the species that most scientists, even those who believe in the pangolin hypothesis, believe is the natural reservoir of SARS-CoV-2. Multiple papers published from BOTH Wuhan labs describe such bat research. The Wuhan CDC did so much live animal research that they employed collections expert by the name of Tian Jun-Hua, whose work collecting bats is described in a number of pre-pandemic media reports (including several times he quarantined himself after being exposed to gross amounts of bad urine or blood). You can see him doing his work, including live bat collections, in this (government produced) documentary about the Wuhan CDC: https://youtu.be/ovnUyTRMERI https://youtu.be/ovnUyTRMERI But to your question, here's a paper from the Wuhan CDC lab published in a well-known international journal that I happened to have open: Guo WP, Lin XD, Wang W, et al. "Phylogeny and Origins of Hantaviruses Harbored by Bats, Insectivores, and Rodents" PLoS pathogens Before you stop reading and respond, "those are hantaviruses they were studying. Covid-19 is a coronavirus.", let me stop you. My hypothesis, like others who believe this is a possibility, has never been that they were studying SARS-CoV-2 specifically, but rather that the lab, or a lab-adjacent facility, was where the virus accidentally "spilled over" from bats to humans. That said, they were studying bat coronaviruses in both labs. Also, the Wuhan Institute of Virology was doing live bat research. See the many articles about the Institute's "bat lady", Shi Zheng Li, and her research.