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You misunderstand scientific consensus. One group has proposed the Pangolin connection. Several other groups believe that it was bats. Most are undecided. That'
by jnbiche 6y ago
You misunderstand scientific consensus. One group has proposed the Pangolin connection. Several other groups believe that it was bats. Most are undecided. That's not consensus.
> iplomatic cables that aren't released in their entirety, etc. Speculation.
Seriously? You think the Washington Post is making this up? Lying about the cables? You think it's fake news?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-dep...
I think we're done here. Personally, I'm interested in the truth here. That's it. I'm more driven by fear of another, worse pandemic than I am the fear of war. Whatever caused this, we need to address it as a global community, ASAP. In my personal estimation, the highest probability event is an accidental lab release. I don't "want" it to be true. In fact, I poo-pooed it like you until I sat down and looked at the various facts (eg, first cases weren't associated with Huanan market, initial Chinese media report mentioned lab connection, Wuhan CDC doing bat research 2 blocks from seafood market, and many more that you don't seem to want to hear about).
And to be clear, that may not be what happened. It could be a market connection, although I'm increasingly skeptical. Frankly, it could also be both (ie, a rogue employee sold bats to the market on the side, it's possible). But Occam's Razor is pretty clear here.
> I think people should be able to eat what they want as long as it isn't an endangered animal or one that presents broader risk e.g. virus spillover
That's all I want, even if it turns out to be the lab. These viruses can destroy us, if we're not careful. We have to take it seriously. Covid-19 is a warning. We have to take it seriously.
But I think we're done here. I want the truth, that's it. This is a big fucking deal, and it's important to know what happened so we can prevent it from happening again. I'm pretty shocked there are people in the West who don't share this sentiment, after everything we're going through.
- spats1990 6y agoNah, I don't think it's made up; I read the same article. I think you'd agree there is a lot less data available there than there is in other avenues being pursued regarding possible origins. I still don't think that a lab accident origin can survive occam's razor at this juncture. I don't see how a lab accident, where someone at the lab was infected and spread the virus unknowingly, is any simpler an explanation than someone who was around a lot of bats and possibly other animals picked it up that way. Certainly, in terms of "humans able to pick up the virus from one of these two ways" there are likely to be a lot more in the latter category than the former, right? As another reply to your OP pointed out, a previous instance of lab accident resulting in transmission was quickly identified and contained. It is a big deal and I share your sentiment there. And you're just asking questions, I get it. Buuut... we disagree. take care. edit: am upvoting your comments on this subthread as they actually got me to think a bit, which is supposed to be the point.