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It's a shame that for every heart-warming story of people being selfless there are ten of people being selfish. In times like theses, fraternity and some humil

by Renaud 7y ago

It's a shame that for every heart-warming story of people being selfless there are ten of people being selfish. In times like theses, fraternity and some humility are probably some of the most valuable traits that can help communities get through. Contrast that with the baffling displays of people defying and protesting lockdowns en masse because they think it's a bit too much...

p1necone 7y ago
This behavior all makes perfect sense when you realize these people just lack empathy. "I'm not sick, I should be able to do whatever I want"
- plerpin 7y ago
  Normally, folks in leadership positions behave as role models which make their population aspire to act better. Now...
- drewcoo 7y ago
  Those people protesting don't go to protest parties every weekend. It's not a substitute for sportsball. The fact that they don't usually protest is a clue that they're not actually doing whatever they want. With a little empathy, that behavior makes sense. They'd rather take what they consider an indefinite but small risk of dying to gather in protest instead of taking a definite looming risk of losing everything, failing their families, and losing all self-respect. But I understand that many people here haven't thought about that. And the news doesn't present it that way.
  - rumanator 7y ago
    > Those people protesting don't go to protest parties every weekend. Those who only think of themselves tend to pull this sort of stunt every time they feel personally affected. Thus those people might not typically go to protest parties because a pandemic is not typical. That's about it. > They'd rather take what they consider an indefinite but small risk of dying That's precisely the narcissist and egotistical attitude that's being criticised. They feel that as the disease does not affect them personally then they should just not be inconvenienced in any way. But that misses the whole point, doesn't it? The point is not about you. The point is that your wreckless behavior puts everyone around you at risk, including those who covid19 threatens their lives. You might not die of covid19, but if you catch it and pass it to your grandma or some random old man from your neighborhood then they might die. That's why you need to get your add back home and wait.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      > That's precisely the narcissist and egotistical attitude that's being criticised. > They feel that as the disease does not affect them personally then they should just not be inconvenienced in any way. But that misses the whole point, doesn't it? The point is not about you. The point is that your wreckless behavior puts everyone around you at risk, including those who covid19 threatens their lives. Wow. Everyone is on the verge of getting the sack right now. That means families and children going hungry. If it's a choice between certain misery or uncertain life, I would choose the latter every time. Now I do realise that decision wouldn't affect me because I'm young, which is why I'm self isolating like everybody else. But do realise that is a privilege and not something everybody can do. Please stop pretending like these people are egotistical and narcissistic when they simply don't have any other choice.
      - bobthechef 7y ago
        I'm not sure why you were downvoted. Seems like the self-centeredness of people who are better off (kind of like that 2016 election, eh?). Programmers and developers can comfortably work from home. Most people, most people in the lower working classes, cannot. So either they starve or go homeless or they risk their lives to provide for themselves and their families. How is it even a question which of the two is preferable? Are you really asking them to starve because of the risk? You know, if you want narcissism, look no further than the moralizers, especially the ones comfortably clacking away at their keyboards in the comfort of their own homes and making six figures.
        cameronbrown 7y ago
        To be honest, I would've prefaced my previous comment with "I suppose the HN bubble wouldn't get this..". It felt like an unfair thing to say but it's probably true that half the people here don't have a clue what life is like for the working classes right now. We're not immune from this situation either. If the working classes can't.. work, then everything that keeps us comfortable falls out from underneath.
      - watertom 7y ago
  - jpmoral 7y ago
    You forgot to mention they are also taking the risk of several other people dying or becoming seriously ill. But I understand you may not have thought of that.
fxtentacle 7y ago
Well, we live in tines where a role model of success might be the CEO who increased profit margins on t-shirts by 1%... (by accepting that some child laborers might die in an avoidable factory fire somewhere on the other side of the planet) Or how about the savvy investor who looks the other way when it is being revealed that one of their portfolio companies polluted the environment on a massive scale. These people might actually be applauded for their behavior in our society, despite them behaving like sociopaths. Our role models and our definition of success are really weird.

by Renaud 7y ago

p1necone 7y ago

This behavior all makes perfect sense when you realize these people just lack empathy. "I'm not sick, I should be able to do whatever I want"

plerpin 7y ago
Normally, folks in leadership positions behave as role models which make their population aspire to act better. Now...
drewcoo 7y ago
Those people protesting don't go to protest parties every weekend. It's not a substitute for sportsball. The fact that they don't usually protest is a clue that they're not actually doing whatever they want. With a little empathy, that behavior makes sense. They'd rather take what they consider an indefinite but small risk of dying to gather in protest instead of taking a definite looming risk of losing everything, failing their families, and losing all self-respect. But I understand that many people here haven't thought about that. And the news doesn't present it that way.
- rumanator 7y ago
  > Those people protesting don't go to protest parties every weekend. Those who only think of themselves tend to pull this sort of stunt every time they feel personally affected. Thus those people might not typically go to protest parties because a pandemic is not typical. That's about it. > They'd rather take what they consider an indefinite but small risk of dying That's precisely the narcissist and egotistical attitude that's being criticised. They feel that as the disease does not affect them personally then they should just not be inconvenienced in any way. But that misses the whole point, doesn't it? The point is not about you. The point is that your wreckless behavior puts everyone around you at risk, including those who covid19 threatens their lives. You might not die of covid19, but if you catch it and pass it to your grandma or some random old man from your neighborhood then they might die. That's why you need to get your add back home and wait.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    > That's precisely the narcissist and egotistical attitude that's being criticised. > They feel that as the disease does not affect them personally then they should just not be inconvenienced in any way. But that misses the whole point, doesn't it? The point is not about you. The point is that your wreckless behavior puts everyone around you at risk, including those who covid19 threatens their lives. Wow. Everyone is on the verge of getting the sack right now. That means families and children going hungry. If it's a choice between certain misery or uncertain life, I would choose the latter every time. Now I do realise that decision wouldn't affect me because I'm young, which is why I'm self isolating like everybody else. But do realise that is a privilege and not something everybody can do. Please stop pretending like these people are egotistical and narcissistic when they simply don't have any other choice.
    - bobthechef 7y ago
      I'm not sure why you were downvoted. Seems like the self-centeredness of people who are better off (kind of like that 2016 election, eh?). Programmers and developers can comfortably work from home. Most people, most people in the lower working classes, cannot. So either they starve or go homeless or they risk their lives to provide for themselves and their families. How is it even a question which of the two is preferable? Are you really asking them to starve because of the risk? You know, if you want narcissism, look no further than the moralizers, especially the ones comfortably clacking away at their keyboards in the comfort of their own homes and making six figures.
      - cameronbrown 7y ago
        To be honest, I would've prefaced my previous comment with "I suppose the HN bubble wouldn't get this..". It felt like an unfair thing to say but it's probably true that half the people here don't have a clue what life is like for the working classes right now. We're not immune from this situation either. If the working classes can't.. work, then everything that keeps us comfortable falls out from underneath.
    - watertom 7y ago
- jpmoral 7y ago
  You forgot to mention they are also taking the risk of several other people dying or becoming seriously ill. But I understand you may not have thought of that.

fxtentacle 7y ago

Well, we live in tines where a role model of success might be the CEO who increased profit margins on t-shirts by 1%... (by accepting that some child laborers might die in an avoidable factory fire somewhere on the other side of the planet) Or how about the savvy investor who looks the other way when it is being revealed that one of their portfolio companies polluted the environment on a massive scale. These people might actually be applauded for their behavior in our society, despite them behaving like sociopaths. Our role models and our definition of success are really weird.