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Ask HN: How to Proceed with an Unscrupulous Recruiter?
TL;DR: Competing companies back-channelled my intent to interview at both (not that I was hiding it), and are now colluding to ensure I only interview with one of them before the other chooses to proceed, going to the extent of cancelling an already scheduled on-site interview.
I am attempting to find a job in silicon valley and have been actively interviewing. I accidentally told an external recruiter that introduced me to Company B that I was scheduled to interview with their competitor Company A. Within the 48 hours, Company A cancelled my scheduled virtual on-site with a rather weak excuse, but leaving the door open to a future conversation. Meanwhile, Company B and the external recruiter are pressing me for scheduling an on-site with them. Luckily for me, my calendar has been filling up without trying (the open slots caused by the cancelled interview were filled up within a couple of hours with new companies).
I did some back-channelling of my own and have discovered that Company A was indeed notified of my intent to interview at Company B, leading to the cancellation. I was initially excited at the prospect of working at either of the two companies; both seemed to have really smart people and a collaborative environment, but given what I know now has left me with a bitter taste. I'm not sure how to proceed.
- Should I pick one company over the other? If so, which one?
- Should I drop both? Don't really want that kind of bad energy at the work-place where I'd have trust issues with colleagues/leaders.
- Is there any legal recourse available? California Labor law clearly restricts companies from colluding to reduce competition for employees as it violates the employees' right to fair employment and I'd like to warn future applicants to be careful dealing with these companies, as well as the recruiter(s).
I've been pretty upset the last 24 hours and am not sure if I'm thinking straight. Needed a second opinion.
- brudgers 7y ago[random internet advice] Just interview and get on with life. As this shows, it's a small world and who you can call on the phone matters a lot. Good luck.
- viraptor 7y agoIf it bothers you, just drop both - apparently you don't have issues finding replacement. You can even send back a note saying why you're dropping them. Otherwise, it's likely not worth worrying about.
- brotherasus 7y agoThanks for that. I'm not worried as much as I am disappointed at the state of recruiting in the valley, and the general state of being in these times. Maybe people show their worst sides in the worst of times.
- brudgers 7y agoHistorical context https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/ https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-po...
- brotherasus 7y agoThat is the one I was alluding to as well in point #3. It is pretty hard to prove that there was collusion in this case without throwing Voldemort (one-who-must-not-be-named) under the bus. But I'm fairly certain now that I don't want to continue with either of these companies. Shame though. I really liked the job and the teams.
- brudgers 7y agoIf you like the job and the teams, then you’re just trying to prove a point that doesn’t need proving because there’s no point there to prove and nobody to prove it to. This is the way business works from mom and pop to Fortune Fifty. People who do business together know each other and look out for their friends. It’s as simple as “hey, do you know nrotherasus?” And there’s no malintent. Just the obvious fact that there’s one of you and both companies can’t hire you at the same time. To put it another way, if the second company had not been interested at all would you be rejecting the first one?
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- probinso 7y agoWhen I'm interviewing, I tell every party that I plan to complete every interview for any company that I have passed the phone interview. Upon the first offer that I receive and I'm open to negotiating, I notify every party that I have to tie ends with. Everybody knows the rules of the game on day one. If anybody were to disrupt that, I would not do business with that party.
- hedora 7y agoIf you have time to waste, try to use whichever one will interview you as a counter offer when negotiating with some other company. Otherwise, move on, but be polite. Don’t burn bridges.
- sergiotapia 7y agoName and shame these companies, they're obviously FAANG
- brotherasus 7y agoUnfortunately not.
- CyberFonic 7y agoIf you are upset after 24 hours, then there is an obvious clash with your values. In which case it might be best to stop dealing with both companies and the respective recruiters. Unethical behaviour tends to be recurring. There is no way of knowing that you won't be subjected to other under-handed acts. Perhaps there will be those who think you are over-reacting. But that is a very personal matter. Some people might not be bothered by such behaviour and even relish the occasional skirmish. Others prefer to focus on their work and results. There is no single "correct" approach. Only the approach that doesn't clash with your moral and ethical standards.
- wprapido 7y agoDon't do it. Simple as that. Looks like a toxic beginning either way
- codegeek 7y agoYou are overthinking this. Drop all parties and keep looking if you have the options. If you want the job bad at Company B, then go for it. Recruiters come and go and the actual work would not be impacted. No one will care how you joined a company after a while.
- lostdog 7y agoInterview with both! This is a big red flag for both, but issues with the interviewing process don't always mean there are issues within the work place at the company. At worst, you just use the offers from these companies as negotiating tools (as another commenter suggested)--they certainly deserve it. I would suggest sending an email to company A, worded something like: "I am scheduling on-sites between April xx and yy. Is there a day that would be good for you, or should I remove you from the list of companies I'm considering?"
- Raed667 7y ago> Company A was indeed notified of my intent to interview at Company B, leading to the cancellation This seems like a petty move. Probably a red-flag.
- rajacombinator 7y agoJust drop both companies and the recruiter.
- Jugurtha 7y agoThe company hired a recruiter years ago and someone notified us a week later that he was charging applicants, mostly students, for interviews. His excuse was that he used a coworking space and needed money to cover the expense, so he made them pay instead of asking the company.