5 ms·

Huge fan of Scuttlebutt and think it could (should) be the future of the social internet. I recently quit my job to write about and work on decentralized tech f

Huge fan of Scuttlebutt and think it could (should) be the future of the social internet. I recently quit my job to write about and work on decentralized tech full time with scuttlebutt being my primary focus. I've written about why I think it's so important here: https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/03/what-is-scuttlebutt/ https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/03/what-is-scuttlebutt/

alephnan 6y ago
> Decentralized social networks have been tried before, the two most well known are Diaspora and Mastadon. With these services there [is still moderation]... Scuttlebutt is how I believe the social web should function in the future. Even the Hackernews community which lean towards decentralization more so than the general public would still argue there is value in moderation.
- TimJRobinson 6y ago
  For sure, any network without any moderation is going to quickly fall into chaos. I'm working on a post on decentralized personalized moderation at the moment which should be out in the next day or two :)
  - moojd 6y ago
    I think this right here is a killer app for decentralized social networks and is something I've been thinking about a lot. I'm looking forward to your post!
- moojd 6y ago
  It's possible (and important) that moderation can be implemented in a decentralized community. Aether[0] has a really interesting take on it where it is essentially democratic. [0] https://getaether.net/ https://getaether.net/
- sneak 6y ago
  Moderation feeds can be published into decentralized networks just like the content messages themselves. Then readers can choose their set of preferred moderators (author/item killfile-stream publishers) to apply clientside.
- fabianhjr 6y ago
  Decentralized doesn't mean unmoderated. Since it is decentralized there is no "global feed" and there is a lot of great discussion about moderation tools and processes on secure-scuttlebutt. Particularly, check the section of follow-graph: https://ssbc.github.io/scuttlebutt-protocol-guide/#follow-graph https://ssbc.github.io/scuttlebutt-protocol-guide/#follow-gr...
- zozbot234 6y ago
  > there is value in moderation Of course. Everything in moderation, including moderation.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- Animats 6y ago
  Without an identity provider scheme that doesn't allow creating unlimited free identities, the spam, scam, and troll problem gets out of hand. China has a strong identity provider scheme. They tie everyone's phone to their government issued citizen ID.
- soapdog 6y ago
  I'm the author of one of the clients (https://patchfox.org https://patchfox.org). All clients support blocking people, both visibly with a public message, or privately with an encrypted message only readable by you (which causes your client to block that feed). In Patchfox, I've added other forms of moderation which boils down to self-moderation and selective listening. You can mute or blur feeds, keywords, and channels. Even though this is client-side only, it provides some tools to keep a safe space around how you interact with the larger world. It doesn't affect replication and doesn't carry on into other clients (as I'm still trying to find the best patterns and practices for this). In the end I'm seeing lots of comment here by people who probably don't actually use SSB. It is a quite fun and lovable place.
z0mbie42 6y ago
It was a good read, thank you! I also really appreciated your other post[0]. This is what allowed me to understand that SSB is not really a social network but more a p2p protocol to exchange messages where applications can be built on. [0] https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/03/a-decentralized-platform-for-innovation https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/03/a-decentralized-plat...
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]
rapnie 6y ago
What other decentralized tech did you find promising (e.g. Dat, AP Fediverse, Solid, IPFS)?

alephnan 6y ago

> Decentralized social networks have been tried before, the two most well known are Diaspora and Mastadon. With these services there [is still moderation]... Scuttlebutt is how I believe the social web should function in the future. Even the Hackernews community which lean towards decentralization more so than the general public would still argue there is value in moderation.

TimJRobinson 6y ago
For sure, any network without any moderation is going to quickly fall into chaos. I'm working on a post on decentralized personalized moderation at the moment which should be out in the next day or two :)
- moojd 6y ago
  I think this right here is a killer app for decentralized social networks and is something I've been thinking about a lot. I'm looking forward to your post!
moojd 6y ago
It's possible (and important) that moderation can be implemented in a decentralized community. Aether[0] has a really interesting take on it where it is essentially democratic. [0] https://getaether.net/ https://getaether.net/
sneak 6y ago
Moderation feeds can be published into decentralized networks just like the content messages themselves. Then readers can choose their set of preferred moderators (author/item killfile-stream publishers) to apply clientside.
fabianhjr 6y ago
Decentralized doesn't mean unmoderated. Since it is decentralized there is no "global feed" and there is a lot of great discussion about moderation tools and processes on secure-scuttlebutt. Particularly, check the section of follow-graph: https://ssbc.github.io/scuttlebutt-protocol-guide/#follow-graph https://ssbc.github.io/scuttlebutt-protocol-guide/#follow-gr...
zozbot234 6y ago
> there is value in moderation Of course. Everything in moderation, including moderation.
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]
Animats 6y ago
Without an identity provider scheme that doesn't allow creating unlimited free identities, the spam, scam, and troll problem gets out of hand. China has a strong identity provider scheme. They tie everyone's phone to their government issued citizen ID.
soapdog 6y ago
I'm the author of one of the clients (https://patchfox.org https://patchfox.org). All clients support blocking people, both visibly with a public message, or privately with an encrypted message only readable by you (which causes your client to block that feed). In Patchfox, I've added other forms of moderation which boils down to self-moderation and selective listening. You can mute or blur feeds, keywords, and channels. Even though this is client-side only, it provides some tools to keep a safe space around how you interact with the larger world. It doesn't affect replication and doesn't carry on into other clients (as I'm still trying to find the best patterns and practices for this). In the end I'm seeing lots of comment here by people who probably don't actually use SSB. It is a quite fun and lovable place.

z0mbie42 6y ago

It was a good read, thank you! I also really appreciated your other post[0]. This is what allowed me to understand that SSB is not really a social network but more a p2p protocol to exchange messages where applications can be built on. [0] https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/03/a-decentralized-platform-for-innovation https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/03/a-decentralized-plat...

deleted 6y ago

[deleted]

rapnie 6y ago

What other decentralized tech did you find promising (e.g. Dat, AP Fediverse, Solid, IPFS)?