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Nothing about that requires an American-style sprawling suburb. You could copy the Eastern European model of 10+ story apartment buildings surrounded by large a

Nothing about that requires an American-style sprawling suburb. You could copy the Eastern European model of 10+ story apartment buildings surrounded by large amounts of green space, with businesses in the first floor, and perhaps glass skyscrapers instead of ugly brutalist concrete buildings. Those estates could be just as easily protected by a private security force as an American-style community.

hash872 6y ago
But if you ever venture outside of the 10+ story apartment building.... Especially if the favela is, like, two doors down. People want to live in a neighborhood that's safe, not just a home enclosure- you're missing the 'neighborhood' concept. A safe neighborhood requires x amount of physical distance from the ghetto that muggers, kidnappers etc. cannot easily surmount. The whole concept of safety means that you can walk outside your front door and not be attacked. A building that's the functional equivalent of a panic room, in the middle of bedlam- people don't want that, you still have to travel to the grocery store, take your kids to school, etc.
- joefourier 6y ago
  I'm not talking about a 10+ story apartment building in the middle of the city, I'm talking about replacing the low-density 4 bedroom houses in your safe suburban neighbourhood with high-rises, allowing for a much denser community which would enable you to walk to your grocery store, school, etc. instead of having to drive everywhere. You could just as well surround the high-rise neighbourhood with a 5-metre high gate and have armed security guards patrolling everywhere if you'd like. I've lived in both an American-style suburb and a development described above (minus the gates and security guard, Eastern Europe being exceptionally safe) and I much preferred the latter.

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Nothing about that requires an American-style sprawling suburb. You could copy the Eastern European model of 10+ story apartment buildings surrounded by large a

by joefourier 6y ago

hash872 6y ago
But if you ever venture outside of the 10+ story apartment building.... Especially if the favela is, like, two doors down. People want to live in a neighborhood that's safe, not just a home enclosure- you're missing the 'neighborhood' concept. A safe neighborhood requires x amount of physical distance from the ghetto that muggers, kidnappers etc. cannot easily surmount. The whole concept of safety means that you can walk outside your front door and not be attacked. A building that's the functional equivalent of a panic room, in the middle of bedlam- people don't want that, you still have to travel to the grocery store, take your kids to school, etc.
- joefourier 6y ago
  I'm not talking about a 10+ story apartment building in the middle of the city, I'm talking about replacing the low-density 4 bedroom houses in your safe suburban neighbourhood with high-rises, allowing for a much denser community which would enable you to walk to your grocery store, school, etc. instead of having to drive everywhere. You could just as well surround the high-rise neighbourhood with a 5-metre high gate and have armed security guards patrolling everywhere if you'd like. I've lived in both an American-style suburb and a development described above (minus the gates and security guard, Eastern Europe being exceptionally safe) and I much preferred the latter.