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What if I want to play a game? I gotta hope proton supports it. Or use Photoshop, Lightroom or any other non Linux creative application. I guess I gotta learn

by Jonnax 7y ago

What if I want to play a game? I gotta hope proton supports it. Or use Photoshop, Lightroom or any other non Linux creative application. I guess I gotta learn the free alternatives. Also how's video acceleration in the browsers? Can I play a 4k60fps video? Is there HDR support? I use Linux everyday. But misrepresenting the desktop experience isn't going to get people to switch.

29athrowaway 7y ago
You will be playing your favorite game with HDR enabled, and suddenly... it's auto update time! See you in 30 minutes. I just watched a 4k60 fps YouTube video just fine. I am surprised you didn't mention office suites. Softmaker Office/FreeOffice are very similar to MS Office, just 99.9% more responsive and less bloated.
- Jonnax 7y ago
  Do you honestly believe that Windows update works like that? Windows 10 came out in 2015. And has had twice yearly updates since then. Perhaps then I should compare Ubuntu 14.04 to Windows 10 today. Really? What GPU? Free or non free driver? Wayland or Xorg? It ain't simple. Why didn't I mention office suites? Because they're not really that demanding. Text editors aren't a high bar. If the latest version of Office lags on your PC that's capable of running 4k60 video then there's something wrong with your PC. But of course I use it on my work laptop. On my personal PC, Google docs does everything I need.
  - 29athrowaway 7y ago
    > Really? What GPU? Free or non free driver? Wayland or Xorg? It ain't simple. It is simple. Just use a mainstream distro, and use the default driver and the default display server. And that's it. That's what I use. I really hate when people trash talk Linux as some masochistic experience full of rough edges that requires 1000 hours of work to tune. It is not. On the other hand, with Windows: OEMs preinstall Windows in your computer. But that's not the only thing they install. They add unnecessary bloatware, and sometimes, even backdoors. If you decide to install it yourself, you have to download drivers. And luckily one of those drivers is not the Network card one.
    - Jonnax 7y ago
      Okay: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-nouveau-2019&num=2 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-n... Looks like the open source Nvidia driver is horrible trash. And seems like the most supported cards are the 600/700 series which are very old. Also you're talking about installing a different OS what does bloatware have to do with it? They may as well reinstall their OS fresh. And don't be intentionally misleading. You're not going to get a computer that doesn't have support for networking out the box today on windows. I clearly do remember having that issue on Linux where my WiFi card would require the download of a firmware binary to be able to run. Linux desktop environments have a lot of rough edges. That's because the majority of people that use Linux use it headless. Also in terms of functionality. I would only say KDE has near parity of features to windows as a DE.
erikbye 7y ago
> I use Linux everyday. But misrepresenting the desktop experience isn't going to get people to switch. I really enjoy the endless battle with tearing, which sometimes is fixed, other times not. I also enjoy the battle of multi-monitor setup with different DPIs and scaling issues, mixing 1440p and 4k monitors. As for browser hardware acceleration, hell, even on Windows, Firefox (on my end, and for many others) have stopped being able to play Youtube 4K videos without stutter. As for games, those who want to game from their Linux install without using Proton can always run a Windows VM with GPU passthrough, that should add fun for days (in terms of configuration).
- 29athrowaway 7y ago
  I use Linux every day and your narrative doesn't add up. I haven't done any configuration other than installing the GPU driver, that comes conveniently packaged in my distro. I don't have a Windows VM. I don't have a last generation video card or anything of the sort. This is my perspective: 1) HiDPI issues are indeed annoying, but in 2020 much of it is gone. 2) I don't have the video problem you are describing. 4K 60 fps YouTube videos play just fine on Firefox. 3) Some games are not compatible with Wine or Proton, sure. But the compatibility is getting better. See the list here: https://www.protondb.com/ https://www.protondb.com/ For the people not familiar with Proton: everything you have to do is just open Steam, and open the game you want to play... that's all. Steam will run the game for you using Proton. I haven't tried Doom eternal, but the previous Doom from 2016 runs out of the box with 60 fps, and I didn't have to touch any out-of-game configuration. Just installed it via Steam. For Blizzard games like StarCraft II and Diablo run very well via WINE.
  - yrro 7y ago
    Come back to me when the UFO moves smoothly on this page: https://www.testufo.com/mprt#size=8 https://www.testufo.com/mprt#size=8
    - AshamedCaptain 7y ago
      Even with an old Intel IGP it moves smoothly at 4k, framerate locked at 60fps of course. And this has nothing to do with "YouTube videos" which is a completely different animal.

by Jonnax 7y ago

29athrowaway 7y ago

You will be playing your favorite game with HDR enabled, and suddenly... it's auto update time! See you in 30 minutes. I just watched a 4k60 fps YouTube video just fine. I am surprised you didn't mention office suites. Softmaker Office/FreeOffice are very similar to MS Office, just 99.9% more responsive and less bloated.

Jonnax 7y ago
Do you honestly believe that Windows update works like that? Windows 10 came out in 2015. And has had twice yearly updates since then. Perhaps then I should compare Ubuntu 14.04 to Windows 10 today. Really? What GPU? Free or non free driver? Wayland or Xorg? It ain't simple. Why didn't I mention office suites? Because they're not really that demanding. Text editors aren't a high bar. If the latest version of Office lags on your PC that's capable of running 4k60 video then there's something wrong with your PC. But of course I use it on my work laptop. On my personal PC, Google docs does everything I need.
- 29athrowaway 7y ago
  > Really? What GPU? Free or non free driver? Wayland or Xorg? It ain't simple. It is simple. Just use a mainstream distro, and use the default driver and the default display server. And that's it. That's what I use. I really hate when people trash talk Linux as some masochistic experience full of rough edges that requires 1000 hours of work to tune. It is not. On the other hand, with Windows: OEMs preinstall Windows in your computer. But that's not the only thing they install. They add unnecessary bloatware, and sometimes, even backdoors. If you decide to install it yourself, you have to download drivers. And luckily one of those drivers is not the Network card one.
  - Jonnax 7y ago
    Okay: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-nouveau-2019&num=2 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-n... Looks like the open source Nvidia driver is horrible trash. And seems like the most supported cards are the 600/700 series which are very old. Also you're talking about installing a different OS what does bloatware have to do with it? They may as well reinstall their OS fresh. And don't be intentionally misleading. You're not going to get a computer that doesn't have support for networking out the box today on windows. I clearly do remember having that issue on Linux where my WiFi card would require the download of a firmware binary to be able to run. Linux desktop environments have a lot of rough edges. That's because the majority of people that use Linux use it headless. Also in terms of functionality. I would only say KDE has near parity of features to windows as a DE.

erikbye 7y ago

> I use Linux everyday. But misrepresenting the desktop experience isn't going to get people to switch. I really enjoy the endless battle with tearing, which sometimes is fixed, other times not. I also enjoy the battle of multi-monitor setup with different DPIs and scaling issues, mixing 1440p and 4k monitors. As for browser hardware acceleration, hell, even on Windows, Firefox (on my end, and for many others) have stopped being able to play Youtube 4K videos without stutter. As for games, those who want to game from their Linux install without using Proton can always run a Windows VM with GPU passthrough, that should add fun for days (in terms of configuration).

29athrowaway 7y ago
I use Linux every day and your narrative doesn't add up. I haven't done any configuration other than installing the GPU driver, that comes conveniently packaged in my distro. I don't have a Windows VM. I don't have a last generation video card or anything of the sort. This is my perspective: 1) HiDPI issues are indeed annoying, but in 2020 much of it is gone. 2) I don't have the video problem you are describing. 4K 60 fps YouTube videos play just fine on Firefox. 3) Some games are not compatible with Wine or Proton, sure. But the compatibility is getting better. See the list here: https://www.protondb.com/ https://www.protondb.com/ For the people not familiar with Proton: everything you have to do is just open Steam, and open the game you want to play... that's all. Steam will run the game for you using Proton. I haven't tried Doom eternal, but the previous Doom from 2016 runs out of the box with 60 fps, and I didn't have to touch any out-of-game configuration. Just installed it via Steam. For Blizzard games like StarCraft II and Diablo run very well via WINE.
- yrro 7y ago
  Come back to me when the UFO moves smoothly on this page: https://www.testufo.com/mprt#size=8 https://www.testufo.com/mprt#size=8
  - AshamedCaptain 7y ago
    Even with an old Intel IGP it moves smoothly at 4k, framerate locked at 60fps of course. And this has nothing to do with "YouTube videos" which is a completely different animal.