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Musk says he sent ventilators to CA hospitals, they say they got something else

nabla9 7y ago
This post will be soon flagged and deleted like anything that where Musk screws up, but holy hell. By any means use any opportunity to hype up your charity if you do it for PR, but at least don't mislead this badly. Why the need to lie when doing charity?
gscott 7y ago
It turns out that BiPap machines that he sent are now being recommended more since ventilators are not producing good results for many coronavirus sufferers.
- nabla9 7y ago
  BiPap is not ventilator alternative. They are completely different type devices. You never put anyone into ventilator until they absolutely need it. At some point oxygen or air is not helping because removing carbon dioxide becomes an issue. Being in ventilator is super unconformable and gruesome. Catheter (endotracheal tube) is inserted into windpipe. Patients are sedated. In the case of covid-19 they are usually placed on their stomach and lay there with the help of opioids+anesthetic drugs.
DanBC 7y ago
I get really confused by the Musk ventilator thing. He asked hospitals what they wanted, they gave him a list, he bought what was on the list and donated it. People who aren't healthcare professionals look at those machines and say "aha, but they're not ventilators, they're bipap machines, Musk is an evil idiot". But bipap is a type of ventilator. Here's John Hopkins: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/bipap https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t... > Some medical problems can make it hard for you to breathe. In these cases, you might benefit from bilevel positive airway pressure. It is commonly known as “BiPap” or “BPap.” It is a type of ventilator—a device that helps with breathing.
- nabla9 7y ago
  > He asked hospitals what they wanted, they gave him a list, he bought what was on the list and donated it. Can you comment on the "Musk says he sent ventilators to CA hospitals" part?
  - DanBC 7y ago
    Musk isn't a healthcare professional and he doesn't know the language. He asks hospitals if they want ventilators, and they give him a list of machines to buy. He buys those. He doesn't know the difference between a ventilator and BiPAP machine. He does know they're both used for ventilation, and he mistakenly calls them both ventilators.
    - nabla9 7y ago
      Tesla factories are making real ventilators as we speak. He should at least have cursory knowledge of the terminology.
      - DanBC 7y ago
        https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/bipap https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t... > Some medical problems can make it hard for you to breathe. In these cases, you might benefit from bilevel positive airway pressure. It is commonly known as “BiPap” or “BPap.” It is a type of ventilator—a device that helps with breathing We talk about the problems of jargon and people think that's the unexpanded acronyms or the complex Latin. But these uses of jargon are obvious and clearly visible. If you use the word agranulocytosis I know that I don't know what you mean and I ask you and we have a conversation and I learn something. The wicked jargon is the normal English word to which we apply a very specific meaning. Here's a machine. We use it to provide mechanical ventilation. Those patients are receiving ventilation. The machine is a class of ventilator. Don't ever call it a ventilator though, because it's a BiPap machine. Maybe Musk should be a bit more humble. It'd help his corporate comms if he just came out and said "I don't know what a vent is, but I asked hospitals what they wanted and I bought the machines they asked for".

This post will be soon flagged and deleted like anything that where Musk screws up, but holy hell. By any means use any opportunity to hype up your charity if you do it for PR, but at least don't mislead this badly. Why the need to lie when doing charity?

gscott 7y ago

It turns out that BiPap machines that he sent are now being recommended more since ventilators are not producing good results for many coronavirus sufferers.

nabla9 7y ago
BiPap is not ventilator alternative. They are completely different type devices. You never put anyone into ventilator until they absolutely need it. At some point oxygen or air is not helping because removing carbon dioxide becomes an issue. Being in ventilator is super unconformable and gruesome. Catheter (endotracheal tube) is inserted into windpipe. Patients are sedated. In the case of covid-19 they are usually placed on their stomach and lay there with the help of opioids+anesthetic drugs.

DanBC 7y ago

I get really confused by the Musk ventilator thing. He asked hospitals what they wanted, they gave him a list, he bought what was on the list and donated it. People who aren't healthcare professionals look at those machines and say "aha, but they're not ventilators, they're bipap machines, Musk is an evil idiot". But bipap is a type of ventilator. Here's John Hopkins: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/bipap https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t... > Some medical problems can make it hard for you to breathe. In these cases, you might benefit from bilevel positive airway pressure. It is commonly known as “BiPap” or “BPap.” It is a type of ventilator—a device that helps with breathing.

nabla9 7y ago
> He asked hospitals what they wanted, they gave him a list, he bought what was on the list and donated it. Can you comment on the "Musk says he sent ventilators to CA hospitals" part?
- DanBC 7y ago
  Musk isn't a healthcare professional and he doesn't know the language. He asks hospitals if they want ventilators, and they give him a list of machines to buy. He buys those. He doesn't know the difference between a ventilator and BiPAP machine. He does know they're both used for ventilation, and he mistakenly calls them both ventilators.
  - nabla9 7y ago
    Tesla factories are making real ventilators as we speak. He should at least have cursory knowledge of the terminology.
    - DanBC 7y ago
      https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/bipap https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t... > Some medical problems can make it hard for you to breathe. In these cases, you might benefit from bilevel positive airway pressure. It is commonly known as “BiPap” or “BPap.” It is a type of ventilator—a device that helps with breathing We talk about the problems of jargon and people think that's the unexpanded acronyms or the complex Latin. But these uses of jargon are obvious and clearly visible. If you use the word agranulocytosis I know that I don't know what you mean and I ask you and we have a conversation and I learn something. The wicked jargon is the normal English word to which we apply a very specific meaning. Here's a machine. We use it to provide mechanical ventilation. Those patients are receiving ventilation. The machine is a class of ventilator. Don't ever call it a ventilator though, because it's a BiPap machine. Maybe Musk should be a bit more humble. It'd help his corporate comms if he just came out and said "I don't know what a vent is, but I asked hospitals what they wanted and I bought the machines they asked for".