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GIMP has had no much powerful functionality while at the same time having an absolute awful UI going on 15 years or more now. And it still hasn't been fixed.

GIMP has had no much powerful functionality while at the same time having an absolute awful UI going on 15 years or more now. And it still hasn't been fixed. I'm not a big believer in conspiracies, but if there's one I'd not dismiss out of hand, it's that Adobe or some other company has been ensuring that GIMP has never been improved or become a viable replacement for some PS users. There is obviously a large potential market for a lower cost option for light users of Photoshop who don't want a monthly subscription to Creative Cloud. Maybe they secretly paid off open source devs to obfuscate the code so much that any potential volunteers would have too much trouble finding a way to re-architect the UI without years of unpaid work. When I see so many great improvements to complex software released to the community on GitHub, along with the potential for some startup to fork GIMP, fix its UI, and charge some sort of support fee like a lot of companies do with OSS, I just find it very strange that GIMP's UI is still in such bad shape, after two decades oconatant complaining by users. It wouldn't surprise if Microsoft did or does something similar with the OpenOffice code base. So many compatibility and usability problems that just seem to langusish for decades, while you'd think some company could find a way to make money fixing some of the biggest issues keeping light users of Office 365 who don't want to pay subscriptions.

lmm 7y ago
Good designers don't work for free. It's kind of strange that programmers have a culture of working for free (or at least of employers agreeing to open-source contributions), but we do, so gnarly algorithms get open-sourced all the time.
- pmontra 7y ago
  We developers write something for free because we need it. Even if we build something awful we still use it and maybe open source it. Then maybe we improve the UI but it's not our job so we're not good at it. A designer that can't code will never start a software project so I guess that it's uncommon for them to get involved in one for free. Then there are developers and designers involved in open source because their companies pay them for that. Gnome's designers are listed at https://wiki.gnome.org/Design#Team_Members https://wiki.gnome.org/Design#Team_Members Two of them work at Red Hat, one at Purism, I didn't find any immediate affiliation for the other two.
  - anoncake 7y ago
    In addition: If you know a tool well enough that you can design an intuitive UI for it, you don't need it.
- coribuci 7y ago
  > Good designers don't work for free. Is there any company employing them ? Because i find the user interfaces from the 80-90 even 00 much more usable that the today's crap. Remember help buton ? Remember buttons ? Why does windows 10 looks the same and behaves worse than windows 1.0 ?
brigandish 7y ago
Part of that is also down to knowing about competitors and for them to stay alive. For instance, the other day I downloaded from the Mac app store a fork of GIMP from way back called Seashore (that's since been updated and barely any GIMP code survives). I've not had much chance to use it yet but so far it's what it claims to be, simple to use, which is a breath of fresh air after using GIMP. But who knows about it? It's been around for years and I'd not heard about it. I read an interview with the maintainer[1] and it sounds like he's put in a lot of work but as he says it's a "labour of love". I wish someone was paying him, even surreptitiously! [1] https://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/meet-seashore-free-image-editor-for-macos https://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/meet-seashore-free...

lmm 7y ago

Good designers don't work for free. It's kind of strange that programmers have a culture of working for free (or at least of employers agreeing to open-source contributions), but we do, so gnarly algorithms get open-sourced all the time.

pmontra 7y ago
We developers write something for free because we need it. Even if we build something awful we still use it and maybe open source it. Then maybe we improve the UI but it's not our job so we're not good at it. A designer that can't code will never start a software project so I guess that it's uncommon for them to get involved in one for free. Then there are developers and designers involved in open source because their companies pay them for that. Gnome's designers are listed at https://wiki.gnome.org/Design#Team_Members https://wiki.gnome.org/Design#Team_Members Two of them work at Red Hat, one at Purism, I didn't find any immediate affiliation for the other two.
- anoncake 7y ago
  In addition: If you know a tool well enough that you can design an intuitive UI for it, you don't need it.
coribuci 7y ago
> Good designers don't work for free. Is there any company employing them ? Because i find the user interfaces from the 80-90 even 00 much more usable that the today's crap. Remember help buton ? Remember buttons ? Why does windows 10 looks the same and behaves worse than windows 1.0 ?

brigandish 7y ago

Part of that is also down to knowing about competitors and for them to stay alive. For instance, the other day I downloaded from the Mac app store a fork of GIMP from way back called Seashore (that's since been updated and barely any GIMP code survives). I've not had much chance to use it yet but so far it's what it claims to be, simple to use, which is a breath of fresh air after using GIMP. But who knows about it? It's been around for years and I'd not heard about it. I read an interview with the maintainer[1] and it sounds like he's put in a lot of work but as he says it's a "labour of love". I wish someone was paying him, even surreptitiously! [1] https://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/meet-seashore-free-image-editor-for-macos https://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/meet-seashore-free...