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I have lived in a country with universal healthcare. Never have I had more government intervention into my life than living in the US. Never have I been so worr

I have lived in a country with universal healthcare. Never have I had more government intervention into my life than living in the US. Never have I been so worried about my civil rights being infringed than in the US. Never have I felt more controlled by large corporations in daily life. What does this have to do with immigration? The US already has a restrictive (and arcane) immigration system. You've just thrown an assortment of right-wing talking points together. > social policy academics from the countries with higher social safety nets, they will tell you the same thing You pulled this straight from your ass.

hogFeast 6y ago
Note that I said working life. Although your comment generally is incorrect too (this isn't even worth disproving tbh, just look at survey data). The great thing about the way large corporations control Europe is that you never hear about it (Germany is the classic example of this, massive wealth inequality, large number of billionaires, they are basically invisible). But the social security system in Europe was designed by large corporations (). Immigration has everything to do with social policy. It also has everything to do with politics generally. Nope. I have an MSc in Politics and studied comparative European social policy. I have met these academics. To cut a long story short: Esping-Andersen's Three Worlds Of Capitalism determines the context of this debate. And the key point of that book is: historical context is everything, you can't understand the totality of social policy by looking at one thing in isolation, and you certainly can't look at what another country is doing and say "we need to do that"...it just makes no sense (a good example of this is the changes that Sweden has made: despite the severity of their crisis, they worked out what they did well and built on that). I know expertise isn't fashionable rn, but you should read what people who have studied this their whole life are saying...as opposed to just believing what you feel. I love HN. I don't think there is any other place on the internet that has so many people who are both totally ignorant but believe they understand almost everything very very well. Classic engineer mindset.
- nlfwhulsdhouv 6y ago
  > Note that I said working life. Although your comment generally is incorrect too (this isn't even worth disproving tbh, just look at survey data). How obtuse are you? Of course I'm talking about working life. Survey data just reflects peoples' indoctrination anyway and getting anything through a dense American's head is nearly impossible if it involves imaginary 'freedom'. Makes sense when you fuck the whole world with imperialism, gotta justify it somehow. > as opposed to just believing what you feel. I've spent plenty of time reading 'serious' academics across all kinds of ideological lines. Esping-Andersen is not an absolute authority. America is still pathetic and broken no matter how you twist it. And yes, Europe is bad and we should off their billionaires too, not sure what you expect from me there. > I love HN. I don't think there is any other place on the internet that has so many people who are both totally ignorant but believe they understand almost everything very very well. Classic engineer mindset. And you're a bootlicking shit that is throating a combination of right-wing immigration policy and neoliberalism, so?
  - dang 6y ago
    We've asked you before to stop using HN for ideological battle. It destroys the curious conversation that this site is supposed to exist for. It also routinely ends up with poison like "How obtuse are you?" and, god help us, "you're a bootlicking shit". Since you're participating regularly here, I assume this is not the kind of place you want HN to be, so please don't make it so. The GP comment shouldn't have posted that smug and supercilious putdown, and you shouldn't be responding with even worse. I don't want to ban you because you've also posted good comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22123132 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22123132 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21818850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21818850. Unfortunately those are mixed in with personal attacks, petty swipes, and political boilerplate, and at this point the bad stuff grossly outweighs the good. You're doing a lot more damage than you're adding value at this point, so means we're going to have to ban you if you don't fix it. Please fix it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - nlfwhulsdhouv 6y ago
      You're grossly overestimating how much I care about this place. If it burns to the ground it'll be better for everyone. Plus I'm 90% sure you shadowbanned me anyway sooooo...
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It just makes the thread even worse. Also, please stop posting smug putdowns of others. Those are usually examples of the thing they're complaining about, and unsurprisingly they evoke worse from the others, who take the unfairness in them as an excuse to lash back. We've had to ask you this kind of thing several times before. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

hogFeast 6y ago

Note that I said working life. Although your comment generally is incorrect too (this isn't even worth disproving tbh, just look at survey data). The great thing about the way large corporations control Europe is that you never hear about it (Germany is the classic example of this, massive wealth inequality, large number of billionaires, they are basically invisible). But the social security system in Europe was designed by large corporations (). Immigration has everything to do with social policy. It also has everything to do with politics generally. Nope. I have an MSc in Politics and studied comparative European social policy. I have met these academics. To cut a long story short: Esping-Andersen's Three Worlds Of Capitalism determines the context of this debate. And the key point of that book is: historical context is everything, you can't understand the totality of social policy by looking at one thing in isolation, and you certainly can't look at what another country is doing and say "we need to do that"...it just makes no sense (a good example of this is the changes that Sweden has made: despite the severity of their crisis, they worked out what they did well and built on that). I know expertise isn't fashionable rn, but you should read what people who have studied this their whole life are saying...as opposed to just believing what you feel. I love HN. I don't think there is any other place on the internet that has so many people who are both totally ignorant but believe they understand almost everything very very well. Classic engineer mindset.

nlfwhulsdhouv 6y ago
> Note that I said working life. Although your comment generally is incorrect too (this isn't even worth disproving tbh, just look at survey data). How obtuse are you? Of course I'm talking about working life. Survey data just reflects peoples' indoctrination anyway and getting anything through a dense American's head is nearly impossible if it involves imaginary 'freedom'. Makes sense when you fuck the whole world with imperialism, gotta justify it somehow. > as opposed to just believing what you feel. I've spent plenty of time reading 'serious' academics across all kinds of ideological lines. Esping-Andersen is not an absolute authority. America is still pathetic and broken no matter how you twist it. And yes, Europe is bad and we should off their billionaires too, not sure what you expect from me there. > I love HN. I don't think there is any other place on the internet that has so many people who are both totally ignorant but believe they understand almost everything very very well. Classic engineer mindset. And you're a bootlicking shit that is throating a combination of right-wing immigration policy and neoliberalism, so?
- dang 6y ago
  We've asked you before to stop using HN for ideological battle. It destroys the curious conversation that this site is supposed to exist for. It also routinely ends up with poison like "How obtuse are you?" and, god help us, "you're a bootlicking shit". Since you're participating regularly here, I assume this is not the kind of place you want HN to be, so please don't make it so. The GP comment shouldn't have posted that smug and supercilious putdown, and you shouldn't be responding with even worse. I don't want to ban you because you've also posted good comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22123132 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22123132 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21818850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21818850. Unfortunately those are mixed in with personal attacks, petty swipes, and political boilerplate, and at this point the bad stuff grossly outweighs the good. You're doing a lot more damage than you're adding value at this point, so means we're going to have to ban you if you don't fix it. Please fix it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - nlfwhulsdhouv 6y ago
    You're grossly overestimating how much I care about this place. If it burns to the ground it'll be better for everyone. Plus I'm 90% sure you shadowbanned me anyway sooooo...
dang 6y ago
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It just makes the thread even worse. Also, please stop posting smug putdowns of others. Those are usually examples of the thing they're complaining about, and unsurprisingly they evoke worse from the others, who take the unfairness in them as an excuse to lash back. We've had to ask you this kind of thing several times before. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.