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Anyone who still thinks this is about 'protecting' people from themselves is just deluding themselves. When there's footage of children being harassed and arres

Anyone who still thinks this is about 'protecting' people from themselves is just deluding themselves. When there's footage of children being harassed and arrested by cops for selling lemonade in public or old folks being dragged off trains by groups of cops for not wearing a mask and talk from governments of allowing law enforcement to enter people's homes on suspicion of 'being sick' there's something seriously fucked up going on. I don't give a shit how many people get sick from covid-19 at this point, I'm not going to accept living in some fucked up dictatorship because people are scared of dying. People die all the time. I don't care, get over it. That's what life is, you live and then you die. Everyone living right now will die some day. Period. Living your life like a prisoner because some authority tells you you need to be scared of this is unacceptable to me and.in all honesty I would rather be dead then live in a world like that.

battery_cowboy 7y ago
Then go kill yourself rather than expose everyone to the risk as well, you libertarian nightmare.
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  That’s not libertarianism; It’s more anti-authoritarian. “The government said not to do something, so I’m gonna do exactly that!”
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  - freyir 7y ago
    Mixed in with some general solipsism & selfishness: “The government said not to do something that I want to do, so I’m gonna do exactly that even if it causes people to die!” OP going to the park or boarding a train without a mask might not cause anyone to die. But if everyone shared OP's view and went to parks and crowded onto trains, people certainly would die. Some people are just bad at extrapolating beyond themselves and their own immediate wants.
    - grawprog 7y ago
      >their own immediate wants. No, I just realize you can't stop living life and hiding from the world because you're scared of dying, certainly not at the behest of authority. It's not so much about myself, it's more as I watch businesses shut down, people lose their jobs and treat eachother with hostility and fear. People are being forced to give up their source of income because of fear. Income == food, shelter and water. These are at the very base of our hierarchy of needs. We are being forced to give these up in the name of public safety. How long do you expect people to go without the source of their very basic necessities of life over fear of a disease?
mistersquid 7y ago
> Living your life like a prisoner because some authority tells you you need to be scared of this is unacceptable to me and.in all honesty I would rather be dead then live in a world like that. Stay-at-home orders and social distancing guidelines are meant to be temporary until 1) treatments for Covid-19 are available 2) a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 is available 3) and/or immunity is widespread. Your rhetorical posture makes sense if you live in a dictatorship and are confined from now on. However, if you live, say, in the US (which I do), such posturing and impatience seem counterproductive.
- finnthehuman 7y ago
  >Stay-at-home orders and social distancing guidelines are meant to be temporary until It's funny how quickly the goalposts moved from "flattening the curve" to "vaccine or widespread immunity." Unless we move back to a "let everyone get sick at the fastest rate that doesn't overwhelm the hospital system" then I'm stuck inside based on lies, by a government that likes flexing it's muscle more than providing the liberty they're ostensibly be principled upon.
  - mistersquid 7y ago
    > It's funny how quickly the goalposts moved from "flattening the curve" to "vaccine or widespread immunity." There has been no "goalposts moved". Flattening the curve has been and continues to be effective to maintain hospital capacity. Period. Social distancing and shelter-at-home prevent viral contagion. Eliminating social distancing and easing shelter-at-home restrictions may spike the infection rate, which would undo efforts to flatten the curve. Hospital capacity would diminish or possibly disappear. Your objection about "goalposts moved" makes no sense in light of the basic logic that flattening the curve is ongoing until the virus can be nullified.
- thu2111 7y ago
  No, they were meant to exist only to avoid hospital overflow. The vast majority of hospitals haven't come close to overflow despite a strong belief by governments that they would even with social distancing, ergo, the predictions justifying the lockdowns are invalidated and it should be ending already.

battery_cowboy 7y ago

Then go kill yourself rather than expose everyone to the risk as well, you libertarian nightmare.

colejohnson66 7y ago
That’s not libertarianism; It’s more anti-authoritarian. “The government said not to do something, so I’m gonna do exactly that!”
- deleted 7y ago
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- freyir 7y ago
  Mixed in with some general solipsism & selfishness: “The government said not to do something that I want to do, so I’m gonna do exactly that even if it causes people to die!” OP going to the park or boarding a train without a mask might not cause anyone to die. But if everyone shared OP's view and went to parks and crowded onto trains, people certainly would die. Some people are just bad at extrapolating beyond themselves and their own immediate wants.
  - grawprog 7y ago
    >their own immediate wants. No, I just realize you can't stop living life and hiding from the world because you're scared of dying, certainly not at the behest of authority. It's not so much about myself, it's more as I watch businesses shut down, people lose their jobs and treat eachother with hostility and fear. People are being forced to give up their source of income because of fear. Income == food, shelter and water. These are at the very base of our hierarchy of needs. We are being forced to give these up in the name of public safety. How long do you expect people to go without the source of their very basic necessities of life over fear of a disease?

mistersquid 7y ago

> Living your life like a prisoner because some authority tells you you need to be scared of this is unacceptable to me and.in all honesty I would rather be dead then live in a world like that. Stay-at-home orders and social distancing guidelines are meant to be temporary until 1) treatments for Covid-19 are available 2) a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 is available 3) and/or immunity is widespread. Your rhetorical posture makes sense if you live in a dictatorship and are confined from now on. However, if you live, say, in the US (which I do), such posturing and impatience seem counterproductive.

finnthehuman 7y ago
>Stay-at-home orders and social distancing guidelines are meant to be temporary until It's funny how quickly the goalposts moved from "flattening the curve" to "vaccine or widespread immunity." Unless we move back to a "let everyone get sick at the fastest rate that doesn't overwhelm the hospital system" then I'm stuck inside based on lies, by a government that likes flexing it's muscle more than providing the liberty they're ostensibly be principled upon.
- mistersquid 7y ago
  > It's funny how quickly the goalposts moved from "flattening the curve" to "vaccine or widespread immunity." There has been no "goalposts moved". Flattening the curve has been and continues to be effective to maintain hospital capacity. Period. Social distancing and shelter-at-home prevent viral contagion. Eliminating social distancing and easing shelter-at-home restrictions may spike the infection rate, which would undo efforts to flatten the curve. Hospital capacity would diminish or possibly disappear. Your objection about "goalposts moved" makes no sense in light of the basic logic that flattening the curve is ongoing until the virus can be nullified.
thu2111 7y ago
No, they were meant to exist only to avoid hospital overflow. The vast majority of hospitals haven't come close to overflow despite a strong belief by governments that they would even with social distancing, ergo, the predictions justifying the lockdowns are invalidated and it should be ending already.