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I get why it uses LinkedIn, but that's not something that represents my actual CV or skill level. Most of the stuff I've done I don't really know (thanks to the

by fao_ 7y ago

I get why it uses LinkedIn, but that's not something that represents my actual CV or skill level. Most of the stuff I've done I don't really know (thanks to their abysmal and dark-pattern-based UI) how to put it on there in the first place.

dudul 7y ago
Not gonna defend LinkedIn, their dark patterns are well documented and awful. But don't you have basically a free form input text for each job description where you can put whatever you want?
- fao_ 7y ago
  Right, but these are projects I've done on my own time. My job history (because of prior burnout that I've recovered from) doesn't describe what I am capable of now, and the things I've done to improve my skill. How do I add: - That I reverse engineered an android app, fully replicated their API and engaged in successful responsible disclosure for the service? - The Lisp with the ELF header I've handwritten in assembler? - The wrapper language for HTML I then built my website and a business website for family with (In pure HTML+CSS, they aren't React projects that will get me hired but, that framework would have been overpowered for the client's needs. Also it's worth stating that it's not just a 'website for family', but the person is very qualified and accomplished at their artwork and the website is the major platform for showcasing their work). - The robust file tagging system I worked on. - The time I dug into the function call hierarchy of the linux kernel because one of the setattr family of functions was passing back an undocumented return code, and the subsequent patch to the man-doc project I contributed. These sound rhetorical but they're very much not, if you or anyone else knows a way to accomplish this please comment!
  - eugenekolo 7y ago
    There's a free form introduction page, as well as extracurriculars, as well as you can simply make a job called "Independent".
    - fao_ 7y ago
      Hmm, that's an interesting approach and I guess it's pretty common (and seems blatantly, embarassingly obvious in retrospect!). That gives me a lead to look at what the standard practice is, and also a rough phrasing to search for on google. Thank you!
      - harlanji 7y ago
        I like the first 2/3, the last can be interpreted as padding by some eyes. I’ve had that for most of my career and never had it called that. I do have a short and dense resume tho, so I think the total package must be considered with each option. I always do intro/cover letters tho, and have something like “Professional Contributions,” and Education listing F/LOSS with my mid-career CS degree, like extra-curriculars from coding.
        fao_ 7y ago
        I got that vibe from it too to be quite honest. It was mostly put there with an "it can't hurt to put it in" attitude, but it might be worth taking it out as I already have an article about it on my website. Hm, yeah. I don't really have much of a formal education to rely on, I was unschooled. It's an awkward thing. Personally I don't feel that my work is particularly good, especially since I don't have a specific yardstick to work off, but the people I've worked alongside or have shown it to have told be that I'm 'very knowledgable', which feels weird. I've been wondering about spending on some AWS certifications and the like just to improve the 'qualifications' section, or hiring someone to look at my CV and give a professional opinion on it.
      - exdsq 7y ago
        Also there's a projects section!
      - DrNuke 7y ago
        To be fair, nobody serious enough cares about every single shot you enlist if your overall picture is crystal clear, coherent and fair... after that, it’s a fit / no-fit game. The opposite is true: you use your profile proactively and cold contact people working at places you like, in order to make acquaintances and get intros.
  - klmadfejno 7y ago
    The things you've listed are pretty much impossible for potential employers to digest on a LinkedIn scale. You should be trying to get noticed, not assessed. Details like this are for resumes. 1) Put that you're looking for opportunities in your headline 2) Stuff as many keyword skills into your page as you can While I'm not going to call it a goldmine opportunity to find a job, I wouldn't say you should expect yourself to be any worse off than others within the platform
  - NikolaNovak 7y ago
    Add Profile Section -> Accomplishments -> Projects Attaching it to a specific position is possible but optional. It allows you to put a time frame, link, and text description. I believe that should serve your needs perfectly?
komali2 7y ago
I sympathize, because Linkedin's ui is SHIT, and I've worked on both sides of it - recruiter and engineer. It sucks to search, it sucks to present yourself, it rewards bad practice. That being said, that's the game. If you can't get it done, someone else will get hired through linkedin, and you won't. Linkedin is in my experience the most popular way to find candidates when your application pipeline isn't yielding the candidates you need.
- albedoa 7y ago
  > That being said, that's the game. If you can't get it done, someone else will get hired through linkedin, and you won't. But it's not the game here. Recruiters are being introduced to these candidates outside of LinkedIn. The requirement to direct them back to LinkedIn is self-imposed and arbitrary. It would have been a perfect opportunity to allow submitters to choose a link that they feel best represents them. This is Rocket crowdsourcing data for their own use.

by fao_ 7y ago

dudul 7y ago

Not gonna defend LinkedIn, their dark patterns are well documented and awful. But don't you have basically a free form input text for each job description where you can put whatever you want?

fao_ 7y ago
Right, but these are projects I've done on my own time. My job history (because of prior burnout that I've recovered from) doesn't describe what I am capable of now, and the things I've done to improve my skill. How do I add: - That I reverse engineered an android app, fully replicated their API and engaged in successful responsible disclosure for the service? - The Lisp with the ELF header I've handwritten in assembler? - The wrapper language for HTML I then built my website and a business website for family with (In pure HTML+CSS, they aren't React projects that will get me hired but, that framework would have been overpowered for the client's needs. Also it's worth stating that it's not just a 'website for family', but the person is very qualified and accomplished at their artwork and the website is the major platform for showcasing their work). - The robust file tagging system I worked on. - The time I dug into the function call hierarchy of the linux kernel because one of the setattr family of functions was passing back an undocumented return code, and the subsequent patch to the man-doc project I contributed. These sound rhetorical but they're very much not, if you or anyone else knows a way to accomplish this please comment!
- eugenekolo 7y ago
  There's a free form introduction page, as well as extracurriculars, as well as you can simply make a job called "Independent".
  - fao_ 7y ago
    Hmm, that's an interesting approach and I guess it's pretty common (and seems blatantly, embarassingly obvious in retrospect!). That gives me a lead to look at what the standard practice is, and also a rough phrasing to search for on google. Thank you!
    - harlanji 7y ago
      I like the first 2/3, the last can be interpreted as padding by some eyes. I’ve had that for most of my career and never had it called that. I do have a short and dense resume tho, so I think the total package must be considered with each option. I always do intro/cover letters tho, and have something like “Professional Contributions,” and Education listing F/LOSS with my mid-career CS degree, like extra-curriculars from coding.
      - fao_ 7y ago
        I got that vibe from it too to be quite honest. It was mostly put there with an "it can't hurt to put it in" attitude, but it might be worth taking it out as I already have an article about it on my website. Hm, yeah. I don't really have much of a formal education to rely on, I was unschooled. It's an awkward thing. Personally I don't feel that my work is particularly good, especially since I don't have a specific yardstick to work off, but the people I've worked alongside or have shown it to have told be that I'm 'very knowledgable', which feels weird. I've been wondering about spending on some AWS certifications and the like just to improve the 'qualifications' section, or hiring someone to look at my CV and give a professional opinion on it.
    - exdsq 7y ago
      Also there's a projects section!
    - DrNuke 7y ago
      To be fair, nobody serious enough cares about every single shot you enlist if your overall picture is crystal clear, coherent and fair... after that, it’s a fit / no-fit game. The opposite is true: you use your profile proactively and cold contact people working at places you like, in order to make acquaintances and get intros.
- klmadfejno 7y ago
  The things you've listed are pretty much impossible for potential employers to digest on a LinkedIn scale. You should be trying to get noticed, not assessed. Details like this are for resumes. 1) Put that you're looking for opportunities in your headline 2) Stuff as many keyword skills into your page as you can While I'm not going to call it a goldmine opportunity to find a job, I wouldn't say you should expect yourself to be any worse off than others within the platform
- NikolaNovak 7y ago
  Add Profile Section -> Accomplishments -> Projects Attaching it to a specific position is possible but optional. It allows you to put a time frame, link, and text description. I believe that should serve your needs perfectly?

komali2 7y ago

I sympathize, because Linkedin's ui is SHIT, and I've worked on both sides of it - recruiter and engineer. It sucks to search, it sucks to present yourself, it rewards bad practice. That being said, that's the game. If you can't get it done, someone else will get hired through linkedin, and you won't. Linkedin is in my experience the most popular way to find candidates when your application pipeline isn't yielding the candidates you need.

albedoa 7y ago
> That being said, that's the game. If you can't get it done, someone else will get hired through linkedin, and you won't. But it's not the game here. Recruiters are being introduced to these candidates outside of LinkedIn. The requirement to direct them back to LinkedIn is self-imposed and arbitrary. It would have been a perfect opportunity to allow submitters to choose a link that they feel best represents them. This is Rocket crowdsourcing data for their own use.