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No one even came close to saying that. I had measles, didn't die from it. I also had several kinds of flu, didn't die from them either. I almost died in a clim

by codr7 7y ago

No one even came close to saying that. I had measles, didn't die from it. I also had several kinds of flu, didn't die from them either. I almost died in a climbing accident, and from drinking way too much alcohol in my teens. Plenty of lives are destroyed by side effects from vaccines, same thing with the current lock down, where do you draw the line? Blindly trusting science is about as smart as blindly trusting the catholic church, the issue was always blind trust. Big pharma has proven over and over and over again that the only thing they care about is profit; and given enough money, anything can be bought in this society. I know it's uncomfortable to question authority, but it's also a responsibility.

Tainnor 7y ago
Glad you didn't die of measles. Unfortunately other people did. Please cite evidence of the lives destroyed by administering vaccines. I didn't claim that a lockdown has no adverse effect, quite the contrary. That's why a vaccine (which we don't have, sadly), of course only if it's safe and effective (which is what we generally test for, hence why it takes so long), would help: it would immunise us and we could stop the epidemic at a much lower cost to society than with lockdown. "Blindly trusting science" is not a thing; science is all about facts and evidence, not about trust. Please refrain from ad hominem.
- codr7 7y ago
  There's plenty of evidence out there, and plenty of motivation to shoot down any attempt at objective research. Which is where your brain and your responsibility to use it enter the picture. Of course it's about trust, science has been wrong about many things along the way, because of ignorance and lately to an increasing extent because of money. Please refrain from putting words in people's mouth to hide your ignorance.
- samoa42 7y ago
  science is about getting better models of reality. facts are mostly a political artifact.

by codr7 7y ago

Tainnor 7y ago

Glad you didn't die of measles. Unfortunately other people did. Please cite evidence of the lives destroyed by administering vaccines. I didn't claim that a lockdown has no adverse effect, quite the contrary. That's why a vaccine (which we don't have, sadly), of course only if it's safe and effective (which is what we generally test for, hence why it takes so long), would help: it would immunise us and we could stop the epidemic at a much lower cost to society than with lockdown. "Blindly trusting science" is not a thing; science is all about facts and evidence, not about trust. Please refrain from ad hominem.

codr7 7y ago
There's plenty of evidence out there, and plenty of motivation to shoot down any attempt at objective research. Which is where your brain and your responsibility to use it enter the picture. Of course it's about trust, science has been wrong about many things along the way, because of ignorance and lately to an increasing extent because of money. Please refrain from putting words in people's mouth to hide your ignorance.
samoa42 7y ago
science is about getting better models of reality. facts are mostly a political artifact.