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You would have seen more reports in hospitals of interstitial pneumonia, as well as a higher YoY death rate during January.

by greedo 7y ago

hedora 7y ago
The CDC is reporting an abnormally high pneumonia death rate in January, and it can’t be explained by confirmed flu cases: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S6 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S6 Look carefully at the black and red graph after the phrase “mortality surveillance data”.
- greedo 7y ago
  The graph and text clearly state it refers to pneumonia and influenza, if you refer to the legend where it says Percent P&I. The P&I for the first 8 weeks of the year is clearly within normal ranges. It spikes from baseline in the first week of March continuing on to the present day. If you look at the first set of graphs, you'll see a spike around the same time for influenza tests. I don't know how fast pneumonia occurs in people weakened by influenza, but I would expect some delay. I think the spike in both influenza and in death due to influenza and pneumonia is probably due to testing. If you presented with influenza like symptoms in March, you were definitely given a flu test to rule out influenza.
autokad 7y ago
it sounds like there was. Look at the 2019/20 flu season from the cdc. it was about 3rd place in last 10 years despite the country basically shutting down. Anecdotally, I remember in December / January reading about this being the worst flu season in years (time). it would have been interesting to know if the flu was effecting the normal cohort or ignoring children. I myself got the 2nd worst sick I have ever been at the end of November visiting San Francisco. (really bad dry cough, fever). It was strange in the sense that I had mild symptoms for a bout two weeks and then 'took my breath away'. went to the hospital, no pneumonia, but low oxygen levels. my friends kid got the same thing, mild cough for a few days and fine. didn't really recover until mid January. Was it covid19? probably not, was probably the flu. That doesn't discount the possibility this was running around the globe even in December. I don't stick my head in the sand and wait for people to tell me so to consider that's at least a very possible scenario. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/ https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/

You would have seen more reports in hospitals of interstitial pneumonia, as well as a higher YoY death rate during January.

by greedo 7y ago

You would have seen more reports in hospitals of interstitial pneumonia, as well as a higher YoY death rate during January.

hedora 7y ago

The CDC is reporting an abnormally high pneumonia death rate in January, and it can’t be explained by confirmed flu cases: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S6 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S6 Look carefully at the black and red graph after the phrase “mortality surveillance data”.

greedo 7y ago
The graph and text clearly state it refers to pneumonia and influenza, if you refer to the legend where it says Percent P&I. The P&I for the first 8 weeks of the year is clearly within normal ranges. It spikes from baseline in the first week of March continuing on to the present day. If you look at the first set of graphs, you'll see a spike around the same time for influenza tests. I don't know how fast pneumonia occurs in people weakened by influenza, but I would expect some delay. I think the spike in both influenza and in death due to influenza and pneumonia is probably due to testing. If you presented with influenza like symptoms in March, you were definitely given a flu test to rule out influenza.

autokad 7y ago

it sounds like there was. Look at the 2019/20 flu season from the cdc. it was about 3rd place in last 10 years despite the country basically shutting down. Anecdotally, I remember in December / January reading about this being the worst flu season in years (time). it would have been interesting to know if the flu was effecting the normal cohort or ignoring children. I myself got the 2nd worst sick I have ever been at the end of November visiting San Francisco. (really bad dry cough, fever). It was strange in the sense that I had mild symptoms for a bout two weeks and then 'took my breath away'. went to the hospital, no pneumonia, but low oxygen levels. my friends kid got the same thing, mild cough for a few days and fine. didn't really recover until mid January. Was it covid19? probably not, was probably the flu. That doesn't discount the possibility this was running around the globe even in December. I don't stick my head in the sand and wait for people to tell me so to consider that's at least a very possible scenario. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e... https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/ https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/